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Jan 3, 2015 13:04:18   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
amfoto1 wrote:
First I don't believe true "pros" use Av all the time... Or any other particular exposure mode, for that matter.

The most experienced shooters (be they pro or amateur) will use the best exposure mode for the situation... period. That might be M. Or it might be one of the various auto exposure modes.

I have to laugh at folks who "only use M". No one should be wedded to one particular exposure mode and refuse to use others. There isn't a "right" mode to use all the time. The shooting situation often dictates what mode should be used.

Years ago, I shot with strictly manual cameras. Then along came auto exposure. Some cameras had only shutter priority. Others had only aperture priority. It wasn't until the late 1970s that cameras started to be produced with both. Program came along later. Many experienced shooters were suspicious of new-fangled technology at first, stuck in their old methods. But each mode has it's uses.

Use M or Manual when lighting conditions are steady and there is no reason or need for the camera constantly to adjust itself When it's possible to use M you can eliminate the problem of the reflective metering system of the camera responding to subject tonality. M puts you in control of all the settings (using Auto ISO with M gives up that control... see below). But it really isn't possible to always use M, either. Shooting rapidly in changing conditions can very often make it necessary to use one of the auto exposure modes.

Aperture priority mode is most useful when you want to control depth of field, but need to let the camera adjust for variable light conditions.... such as the subject moving in and out of shadows, or different subjects being shot, or when the intensity of the light source itself is changing frequently. Intermittent clouds might be the cause of the latter condition, among others.

Aperture priority mode may be the best choice when working with long lenses that have shallow DOF. Or when shooting portraits and wanting to induce some background blur. Or, for that matter, it might be the choice for landscape shooters wanting to maximize DOF.

Shutter priority is the mode to use when depth of field doesn't matter as much and you want to be sure to stop movement (faster shutter)... or to blur it (slow shutter). Sports photography might call for shutter priority mode.

I'll even use P or Program occasionally... such as when I just need to make a quick shot in radically different lighting conditions and really don't have time to calculate any of the factors. It's sort of the "hail Mary" of exposure modes. An example might be after working indoors, needing to quickly go outside to snap a quick shot or two, no time to fiddle with the settings. Also using a different modes preserves the settings I've been using indoors, so I don't have to recalculate things when I return to shooting that.

Auto ISO is a relatively new exposure mode that's only been available on digital cameras. For obvious reasons, this was never an option to use with film cameras. It really is just yet another auto exposure mode. If you use it in conjunction with M you are not shooting manual exposure... you are still shooting auto exposure and relying upon the camera to figure things out for you. And, IMO, it's very risky to use Auto ISO in conjunction with any other auto exposure mode (that's sort of auto-auto... who knows what will happen!?)

The cameras I use that have Auto ISO do not have Exposure Compensation that works with it. Some newer models do. But because mine don't, I never use it. Exposure Compensation is essential when using any sort of auto exposure mode with a reflective metering system. It is rare that Auto ISO would be needed... I can see there may be times when it would be desirable to lock in both aperture and shutter speeds in variable light conditions, though I really don't have much problem locking down one or the other and just keeping an eye on the second parameter. Another important thing with Auto ISO is to be able to set a max ISO that the camera will use.... and maybe a minimum ISO, as well.

But, I can change ISOs on the fly really quickly, so really don't find much need for Auto ISO. Av, Tv and P pretty much fulfill all my auto exposure needs.

In summary, I probably do use Av mode most often. I use M nearly as much and Tv mode a little less. I only occasionally use P mode and practically never use Auto ISO I often read posts about Auto ISO, hoping someone will illustrate good examples where it might be more essential.... But haven't yet seen a really good argument for using it, where it would be necessary to "get the shot".

The shooting situation decides which mode can or even must be used. Sometimes you have a bit of flexibility about which you can use... Sometimes you don't. But there is not one mode that's better than all the others and usually one or the other will stand out as the preferred mode, at the time, that will make it possible to get the shot you need or want.
First I don't believe true "pros" use Av... (show quote)


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Jan 3, 2015 14:57:28   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I pretty much agree with amfoto1 with only a few qualifications. I completely agree that exposure mode is chosen due to the light, circumstances, subject, and the results needed and that there is no one right way for every, or even the same, situation. Selection depends upon the individual photographer, equipment, experience, level of comfort, etc.. My only add to what was said is that AUTO ISO, being relatively new to this game, is now also a part of the mix. I've found it extremely useful for sports photography as I try to use it to my advantage to get the results I need. Most of my sports work is done with A priority, and lately, with the use of AUTO ISO as well. The newer systems, which allow limits for shutter speeds and ISO have really been helpful, but you need to know how they're going to react when they run out of the range for which they are set. Being a relatively new option for me, I am really enjoying it and am finding it very helpful. YMMV!

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Jan 3, 2015 16:48:09   #
Video Vinny Loc: Pahrump
 
mwsilvers wrote:
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Try shooting stage shows, indoors, with accent lighting, spot lighting, bright and soft, with actors dancing and jumping around, using, 'M'. You will be adjusting more than shooting.

I have to keep one camera set for the bright spot and subject motion (using 'M') and another MOSTLY set to 'S' (sometimes the 'effects' work better) to try to get a decent shutter speed and trust the camera to find me the best of the rest. USUALLY works. Vinny

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OOOps, I think amfoto1 was for this reply. Sorry (damn buttons get in the way) :lol:

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Jan 3, 2015 18:26:20   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Video Vinny wrote:
Try shooting stage shows, indoors, with accent lighting, spot lighting, bright and soft, with actors dancing and jumping around, using, 'M'. You will be adjusting more than shooting.

I have to keep one camera set for the bright spot and subject motion (using 'M') and another MOSTLY set to 'S' (sometimes the 'effects' work better) to try to get a decent shutter speed and trust the camera to find me the best of the rest. USUALLY works. Vinny

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OOOps, I think amfoto1 was for this reply. Sorry (damn buttons get in the way) :lol:
Try shooting stage shows, indoors, with accent lig... (show quote)


I know you meant amfoto1, but I generally agree with him. When I'm shooting in the circumstances you describe, which is fairly often, I move between manual and aperture priority. In those circumstances I often use spot or partial metering along with either my 30mm f/1.4 or 18-35mm f/1.8 Sigma lenses. Of course, keeping the shutter speed fast enough while pulling in enough light is always a challenge, and I try to keep the ISO on my Canon 60D no higher than 800, although sometimes I have no choice and must go higher.

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Jan 3, 2015 19:16:42   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
You seem to be placing all pros in the same basket because of a few. Sports shooters will use aperture priority because their intent in to freeze a completive moment in time. The perfectly sharp moment is what is important. Sports guys live with allowing the camera to make decisions for them. That is what any "auto" setting involves. The camera's processor/s are pre-loaded with the details to supply what the user chooses not to control. When auto feature are used the camera is making the decisions the user chooses not to make.

If your desire is to maintain total control of the images you capture manual mode is the better way to accomplish that. If your decision is to use the processor to assist, you do so knowing what may occur.

It's a personal decision only you can make. No one will criticize you for doing either, or both. In truth, most serious photographers use both depending upon the situation. IMHO the method used is the one that the photographer finds most comfortable.

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Jan 3, 2015 19:22:29   #
Video Vinny Loc: Pahrump
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I know you meant amfoto1, but I generally agree with him. When I'm shooting in the circumstances you describe, which is fairly often, I move between manual and aperture priority. In those circumstances I often use spot or partial metering along with either my 30mm f/1.4 or 18-35mm f/1.8 Sigma lenses. Of course, keeping the shutter speed fast enough while pulling in enough light is always a challenge, and I try to keep the ISO on my Canon 60D no higher than 800, although sometimes I have no choice and must go higher.
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Thanks for you input. I really appreciate everyones method. I have so much to learn in this digital world and you folks help me a lot.

With what I do, I seldom enjoy the luxury of shooting with 'Primes'. Darn!

Except for portraits and some close ups, I find that ISO 2400 - 3200 works fine with my D5300. I wonder if it's the model or just that particular camera?

You know, this thing gets pounded to death.

Certainly, 'M' is generally a professional way to go. Under good photo conditions I have no problem with it. It's just that under difficult conditions, like the ones we are talking about, it is oftentimes impractical. Now we must improvise to get the best we can while not missing the shot.

I think some of the HOGs, pro as they may be, don't fully take this into consideration. I believe most of the HOGs do and 'Thank you to ALL', the help given me in this forum is invaluable.

Also, I believe that sometimes they confuse those with less expertise by intimidating them with the 'M' syndrome. (Something like those who think shooting in RAW is the ONLY way to go). And please, I believe RAW is great, but it has some drawbacks and sometimes not the best way to go.

I stick to my advice to beginners, start with 'Auto', read the intelligent settings that these fine camera give. Check the Histogram ... compare with the photo, find out what they do, then using that knowledge advance to 'A', 'S', 'P' and then the almighty 'M'.

I think the real pro, in addition to getting paid, is the one who knows what settings to use, and 'when'.

It is my belief that anyone who says "Shoot 'M' all the time is just as bad as anyone who says "Shoot 'Auto' (or any singular other setting) all the time.

Hey .. thank you for letting me sound off. This is a first here for me. It feels good. Vinny

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Jan 3, 2015 19:39:49   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
When I was young, shooting with a Pentax Spotmatic, I had to make most of the decisions, do the winding, etc. With my D4s, frankly it's just a little better and faster at everything, and surely faster than me. It's Matrix Exposure Mode is absolutely fantastic and can make perfect decisions most of the time. Faster and better decisions than I can. Same with Auto Focus, better and faster than my old eyes. I have no issues controlling what I choose and letting the electronics in the camera do it's thing. The kicker -- you really should understand what/how it does/works. That where practice and experience comes in. Every time Nikon throws something new at me, it takes me some time to practice, experiment and fully understand how it works. Group focusing is one recent example. I'm getting there with that and, so far, I like it a lot! I guess I have no problem admitting I'm not as smart as my camera, and I will continue to use it as a tool, to produce the shots that I want to see. Me personally, I don't use shutter priority much. Some who do exactly what I do swear by it. No one right way. That's just part of my style I guess. YMMV!

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Jan 3, 2015 19:55:01   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Chinasea wrote:
Once you go manual..you won't look back...

This may be your experience, but it certainly doesn't apply to everyone. I used manual, with a hand held light meter, for years - before cameras had batteries. Then I used manual with an in-camera match-needle light meter. It wasn't until 1988 that I got a Nikon film camera that had automatic exposure. What a thrill that was to set the aperture and let the camera figure out the shutter speed, or the other way about. There was no auto ISO - the camera read the ISO off the film canister. I, for one, have tried manual and I'm not going back, except in special circumstances. For example for birds in flight I set my exposure off a grey card because I want the birds properly exposed and I don't care about the sky. Different strokes for different folks.

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Jan 3, 2015 21:40:11   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
I shoot mostly landscape and my cameras stay set at A most of the time. I set a maximum ISO depending on the situation. This allows me to set the aperture, glance at the speed and shoot. Because I usually want to control DOF, my quick release plate stays on the camera. If the shutter speed goes too low, out comes the monopod and I make sure IS is turned on. That's how I use "A" most of the time.

BTW, for daylight shots, even in the"golden hours" a monopod & IS works quite well with slower speeds. Is a tripod better? Absolutely! Is it as convenient? Nope. Does it have a place? Yep, but this works great most of the time.

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Jan 3, 2015 23:56:24   #
KVM
 
I do shoot aperture priority, but sometimes Manual.
I hope you have noticed that your setting change in either one depending what you focus on. I you focus on the dark you get one reading and if you focus on the light you get another. I know this is basic but it is sometimes overlooked.

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Jan 4, 2015 11:05:45   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
aisajib wrote:
I have no regrets shooting manual either. I just suddenly thought whether shooting manual all the time is an inefficient way. Thanks for sharing your tip.
Don't micro manage your photography, read books about the D3100...it maybe old but still a fine camera and read books about exposure.

Your trying too hard to be perfect about photography, don't do what other people are doing...use the camera settings that work best for YOU.

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Jan 4, 2015 11:29:08   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
cjkorb wrote:
Don't micro manage your photography, read books about the D3100...it maybe old but still a fine camera and read books about exposure.

Your trying too hard to be perfect about photography, don't do what other people are doing...use the camera settings that work best for YOU.


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and trying to be perfect may well take the fun out of it!

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Jan 4, 2015 12:24:54   #
aisajib Loc: Dhaka, Bangladesh
 
cjkorb wrote:
Don't micro manage your photography, read books about the D3100...it maybe old but still a fine camera and read books about exposure.

Your trying too hard to be perfect about photography, don't do what other people are doing...use the camera settings that work best for YOU.




cjc2 wrote:
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and trying to be perfect may well take the fun out of it!


Thanks! :)

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Jan 5, 2015 13:31:54   #
Video Vinny Loc: Pahrump
 
mcveed wrote:
This may be your experience, but it certainly doesn't apply to everyone. I used manual, with a hand held light meter, for years - before cameras had batteries. Then I used manual with an in-camera match-needle light meter. It wasn't until 1988 that I got a Nikon film camera that had automatic exposure. What a thrill that was to set the aperture and let the camera figure out the shutter speed, or the other way about. There was no auto ISO - the camera read the ISO off the film canister. I, for one, have tried manual and I'm not going back, except in special circumstances. For example for birds in flight I set my exposure off a grey card because I want the birds properly exposed and I don't care about the sky. Different strokes for different folks.
This may be your experience, but it certainly does... (show quote)


WOW. You sure go way back. I still have my 1950's, workable, 'Flash Master' with it's original batteries (red, white and blue EverReadys) Unfortunately their vintage technology hasn't held enough charge to still be workable. Darn. and an unopened package of 'Flash Cubes'. .

Also, same era, a workable Brownie Hawkeye and Kodak Instamatic with original film reels, same era, both windups.

And I can't remember ISO being on a film canister.

Not too many people here go back further than me. I appreciate the info.

Thank you for bringing me up to date. Vinny

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Jan 5, 2015 19:54:08   #
LJR
 
You are smarter than your camera, no matter how sophisticated or advanced it is. You can look at the results and decide for yourself whether you are satisfied with them. Your own taste and judgment determine whether you are satisfied. You learn from experience, your camera cannot. Your camera and its accessories are tools. Use them to achieve your objectives, whatever they may be. Manual settings give you total control over all the variables.

The foregoing is not intended to disuade you from having others, photographers and non-photographers, critique your images. Many times others see our images differently than we do. It is my experience that critiques will vary from critiquer to critiquer. But after having the benefit of critiques by others, make up your own mind concerning your images. Unless you are commissioned to make images for others, they are yours.

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