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Jan 2, 2015 06:56:35   #
Les White
 
Ditto

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LarryFB wrote:
Only you can decide the preferred mode to shoot. Depending on what I'm shooting I will use Aperture priority, Shutter priority, Programed, or Manual.

For example, if I am shooting a sporting event birds in flight, or anything where I want a fast shutter speed, I will use shutter priority.

If I am shooting portraits, or anything where depth of field (or lack of depth of field) is important, then I go to aperture priority.

Sometimes, I will use the Program mode when I have time to make a decision when I shoot.

For Close Up photos, and when the camera is on a tripod, I will typically use Manual mode.

I think there is no one answer, It depends on you, what you are shooting, and the effect you want in your photograph.
Only you can decide the preferred mode to shoot. D... (show quote)

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Jan 2, 2015 06:57:58   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
Just a thought. Do you think it is your camera? If you have played in manual and it still isn't getting the shot, just might be the camera. Put it in P mode and go play. Limit your ISO to 100-400 and see if the camera can put out a good picture 100% of the time. I have shoot a D300s and now a D600. They both work great in all the modes. If I am out playing around my camera is in P mode and I am having fun, if I am trying to get a shot at weddings I go manual if things aren't moving fast. And A and S mode if needed. But I would shoot your camera in P and see if it gets the shot done and look at the histogram. Some times it may not be you, but your camera.
Erv

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Jan 2, 2015 06:59:14   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
If you can consistently get composition, focus and timing (three things your camera can not do for you) right while shooting full manual then OK. But if setting your camera manually causes you to miss the best composition, focus and timing, then an automatic feature to lessen the workload might result in better photos.

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Jan 2, 2015 07:21:51   #
edhjr Loc: Needham, MA
 
I agree with several folks who basically are saying shoot with what makes sense for what you are trying to do. I do not like to use auto ISO at all, I only very occasionally shoot in Program mode, for car racing, moving wildlife etc. I usually use Shutter Priority, for scenery, people, etc. I use Aperture Priority. I also use bracketing and exposure compensation in certain circumstances. I shoot jpeg and Raw but try to avoid much photoshop work so I do make a lot of adjustments on the fly to get what I want "in camera". I have sold a number of large prints with little or no PS work but that is just reflecting how I want to spend my personal time. Figure out what works for you -- make yourself happy.

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Jan 2, 2015 07:24:16   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
aisajib wrote:
I've been noticing lately that a lot of pros use Aperture priority mode when shooting outdoors. I'm not a blind followers of pros without any reason, and that's why I began to investigate why they shoot A mode most of the time.

It's obvious. It saves them time. Instead of having to figure out the exposure from three settings, using A mode allows them to use only two. (One if ISO is set to auto.).

However, I began using full manual mode despite the repeated failure to get the exposure right in the first few shots because I thought I was learning. "Over time, guessing the camera settings depending on the lighting condition becomes a second nature," I read somewhere.

But the other day I noticed, it's not happening. The light is so different and versatile that at the same place at the same time but in different days, the lighting changes. So does the camera settings. So ultimately, I'm relying on the camera's light meter to determine whether the shot is well exposed or not. I try to keep the lightmeter in the middle on the first shot, look at the back LCD, and then tweak shutter speed or ISO if required.

Lately it's bugging me, am I wasting my time? Indoors, I can't shoot in any auto because I use a Yongnuo manual flash and the camera seems to not know that the flash exists. So it exposes for the ambient light bumping up ISO to the highest or slowing down the shutter speed. So in indoors, I always shoot manual. Keep shutter speed between 80-100 and ISO within 400, and I change the aperture according to the flash (distance of the subject, flash power, etc).

But outdoors, that problem is non-existent. So I'm wondering, is there any reason why I should continue shooting in full manual and not semi-automatic?


Also, do you guys use auto ISO? I shoot manual ISO but I'm wondering if that's another area where I'm wasting my time. I'm just looking for your opinion -- professional or personal, between shooting full manual and semi-automatic.
I've been noticing lately that a lot of pros use A... (show quote)


To better answer the question, how many years have you been shooting in full manual? In the first six months, what changes did you notice? What problems did you encounter most often in the first six months?

I shoot in manual 80% of the time now. The only time I do not is for certain sports situations, where I am in shutter priority mode.

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Jan 2, 2015 07:28:46   #
aisajib Loc: Dhaka, Bangladesh
 
I'm still in confusion (I just tried both A and M in a photoshoot today and I couldn't determine which to go with). :(

I just had a smile, though. How these two replies compare... :)

kymarto wrote:
I never shoot manual unless I am shooting video. Aperture is the best compromise for me by far--saves me much time and I get shots that I could never get if I was fiddling with knobs trying to center a meter. I mean look at it this way: The camera is centering the meter much faster than you could do by hand. You gain absolutely nothing by setting the aperture manually to the same point the camera will set it automatically.

And if the exposure is wrong? Well, it would be wrong either in auto or with the meter centered by hand for that particular scene, since the actual metering doesn't change. If I am in a situation where I have only one chance, and there is a lot of contrast, I will generally set the meter to -0.7 EV, since it is much easier to recover shadow than highlight information, and blown highlights are much more objectionable than crushed shadows. If not, I expose aperture priority and have a quick look at the image to make sure I have not blown highlights. If I have I simply dial in a bit or underexposure. End of story.

Of course I am always checking shutter speed--if I drop below a comfortable speed I'll open up or increase the ISO. Either is still quicker and no less accurate than using full manual.

Remember: the metering is the same whether it is auto or manual, so what do you gain by setting things manually if you are going to trust your meter?

The only good alternative is if you are really going to use manual, set your light meter to spot and take the time to measure the different brightness values in your scene, paying close attention to the brightest area in which you still want detail. You'll need to know your camera's headroom, but the highlights should be roughly four EV brighter than middle grey for average cameras, so you would meter for the highlight and open up four stops or go four speeds slower.
I never shoot manual unless I am shooting video. A... (show quote)






Indrajeet Singh wrote:
Once you master Manual, you will almost never use anything else. I learned in the old days of film and SLRs, my Nikon F3 HP was only used in manual mode, we didn't fiddle ASA (ISO) as much, unless you were pushing the film. The third control was focus, which the DSLRs take care of very well today.

My subjects are birds and as we well know, they are unpredictable in their movements and their surroundings can change very fast, especially in our Indian conditions. I only shoot in manual, other than the White Balance and the Autofocus. I believe that a lot depends upon how you have your controls set up for you to make the required changes to settings very fast and that is key. Learn your camera well and set it up to become part of you. I use a D7000 (on occasion), a D7100, D610 and D810 on a regular basis, all my bodies are set up with the controls to be the same, except the D810, which has a few advantages that make it faster than the other bodies to use.

I would sincerely advice that you stay with manual and work with your camera to get those shots that you may otherwise miss. You can check out some of my images by clicking on the lead below.

Have fun!!
Once you master Manual, you will almost never use ... (show quote)

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Jan 2, 2015 07:37:27   #
aisajib Loc: Dhaka, Bangladesh
 
wteffey wrote:
If you can consistently get composition, focus and timing (three things your camera can not do for you) right while shooting full manual then OK. But if setting your camera manually causes you to miss the best composition, focus and timing, then an automatic feature to lessen the workload might result in better photos.


That goes close to what I would expect. Now the question is, in a portrait session with a model, is the time spent fiddling with the setting time wasted? Because I'm not going to miss any shot per se, the shot awaits me.

Wedding is a different story, as I use a manual external flash and camera doesn't know the flash is there, so it tries to expose for the low light by using a very slow shutter speed. I shoot a few pictures until I find the right aperture for a shot and I keep my shutter speed at 1/100. Works most of the time.

Changing flash power when there are more or less people in the shot or when the focal length changes is a bit of pain though.


dsmeltz wrote:
To better answer the question, how many years have you been shooting in full manual? In the first six months, what changes did you notice? What problems did you encounter most often in the first six months?

I shoot in manual 80% of the time now. The only time I do not is for certain sports situations, where I am in shutter priority mode.


I bought my camera on October 2013, shot for a fairly long time in full automatic, and then without even trying out any of the auto modes (Scenes, A, P, S), I jumped straight into manual to better understand how the exposure works. Granted, I didn't understand a thing until I got my 50mm 1.8, because with a kit lens how aperture affects exposure is very difficult to see. I bought my lens in February 2014, and I probably started shooting full manual in March-April.

I definitely enjoyed being in control of the exposure. Like whenever the location changes, I immediately take a few shots that are bound to be ill-exposed. And determining how the shot looks, I change the shutter speed (or aperture if using Flash). A properly-exposed (according to light meter) or a slightly overexposed image always looks better in the LCD (and even in histogram), but I intentionally underexpose a bit knowing that Nikons can come up with better shadow details (Am I doing that wrong? Should I keep the well-exposed images anyway?).

In terms of problem, there are many not-keepers because the location changes so often and on each location I have to take a few test shots to figure out the best exposure. Also, seeing how many portrait shooters use Aperture priority, I'm now thinking I might be wasting time fiddling with the settings. :? That's why I had to write this post.

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Jan 2, 2015 07:44:27   #
katbandit Loc: new york city
 
i shoot manual 99% of the time...i like to determine my own settings..i find that when i do try to go to the A setting that the camera can be fooled into the right lighting depending on where the dark and light colors are in the subject..to me i feel the challenge of taking a shot and checking it out is what gives me the opportunity to use my skill at determining how to set the photo up..

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Jan 2, 2015 07:46:30   #
hughburden Loc: UK
 
"Am I wasting time shooting full manual?"

Seems to me all the answers so far are correct as they work for that particular shooter.

For my two pence worth (two cents worth?) Deciding what kind of image you are trying to capture or what style you wish to produce makes the decision for you.

Action needs fast shutter speeds to freeze it, or slow shutter speeds to capture a blur… if either is the most important factor why not choose shutter priority and let the camera do the rest? Judge results with histogram, LCD image, highlight warning and experience.

If your preference is to control what is and what is not in focus then it makes sense to choose aperture priority and let the camera do the rest. Judge results with histogram, LCD image, highlight warning and experience.

Of course there will be occasions when your chosen shutter speed, or chosen aperture will not produce a useable image in the prevailing conditions or maybe for 'artistic' reasons. When this is the case you have to make further decisions-change ISO? maybe sacrifice/compromise on your chosen shutter speed or aperture?

On occasion the prevailing light conditions and the desired effect you want may not correspond to your chosen shutter speed/aperture and the camera's helpful decisions…at that point full human control of the settings are obviously obligatory to override the 'in house’ meter

Using aperture or shutter priority is the same thought process as shooting ‘fully manual’ in that you have to decide 'what am I trying to achieve?’ In manual you may start with a light meter reading, from that you may choose your aperture and the rest falls into place (this is the same thought process that the camera uses in aperture/shutter priority)

There nothing ‘pro’ or indeed ‘amateur' about shooting manual, priority or fully auto. Use what works to get the desired image. Perhaps the only thing a so called ‘pro’ has over the enthusiast is the constant commercial pressure has honed their decision process and experience; so these decisions can be almost a reflex. {or should be:~D }

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Jan 2, 2015 07:49:16   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
If you do not feel yo are learning in full manual, perhaps you should shoot in AP or TV for awhile. As you do, you will get a better feel for the power of each function. You can always try maual again in the future.

By the way, keeper rates are a tricky thing. If I were shooting studio portraits, I would hope to have a keeper rate in the over 80% range. In sports or birds in flight, sometimes 10% is a good day.

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Jan 2, 2015 07:56:44   #
aisajib Loc: Dhaka, Bangladesh
 
hughburden wrote:
"Am I wasting time shooting full manual?"

Seems to me all the answers so far are correct as they work for that particular shooter.

For my two pence worth (two cents worth?) Deciding what kind of image you are trying to capture or what style you wish to produce makes the decision for you.

Action needs fast shutter speeds to freeze it, or slow shutter speeds to capture a blur… if either is the most important factor why not choose shutter priority and let the camera do the rest? Judge results with histogram, LCD image, highlight warning and experience.

If your preference is to control what is and what is not in focus then it makes sense to choose aperture priority and let the camera do the rest. Judge results with histogram, LCD image, highlight warning and experience.

Of course there will be occasions when your chosen shutter speed, or chosen aperture will not produce a useable image in the prevailing conditions or maybe for 'artistic' reasons. When this is the case you have to make further decisions-change ISO? maybe sacrifice/compromise on your chosen shutter speed or aperture?

On occasion the prevailing light conditions and the desired effect you want may not correspond to your chosen shutter speed/aperture and the camera's helpful decisions…at that point full human control of the settings are obviously obligatory to override the 'in house’ meter

Using aperture or shutter priority is the same thought process as shooting ‘fully manual’ in that you have to decide 'what am I trying to achieve?’ In manual you may start with a light meter reading, from that you may choose your aperture and the rest falls into place (this is the same thought process that the camera uses in aperture/shutter priority)

There nothing ‘pro’ or indeed ‘amateur' about shooting manual, priority or fully auto. Use what works to get the desired image. Perhaps the only thing a so called ‘pro’ has over the enthusiast is the constant commercial pressure has honed their decision process and experience; so these decisions can be almost a reflex. {or should be:~D }
"Am I wasting time shooting full manual?"... (show quote)


Thanks. That is good advice!


dsmeltz wrote:
If you do not feel yo are learning in full manual, perhaps you should shoot in AP or TV for awhile. As you do, you will get a better feel for the power of each function. You can always try maual again in the future.

By the way, keeper rates are a tricky thing. If I were shooting studio portraits, I would hope to have a keeper rate in the over 80% range. In sports or birds in flight, sometimes 10% is a good day.


I shoot neither studio (too expensive) nor sport (not much interested). I shoot events sometimes and portraits. Sometimes it feels bad to see a perfectly posed and candid photo go to waste because of poor exposure. (Plus there is the shutter actuation thing. ;) )

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Jan 2, 2015 08:02:22   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
If the lighting is even then setting the camera manually to neutral gray the subject should be correct even if the background changes. Use you histogram to help

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Jan 2, 2015 08:08:53   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
Great question! I've been shooting for more than 20 years and just in the last 7 years have I been more perceptive of the technicality of photography. With that said, I use manual for static shots and when I use my flashgun. I shoot my sons' track events and always shoot in aperture priority while keeping my eye on shutter speed. I've actually shot action in manual to get the high ss and fstop I want and let auto ISO do the work. I use custom WB for indoor sports events cause those tungsten gym lights are a horror. I was taught to expose for the ambient light when using flash, then tweak the flash output to illuminate your subj. the only time I use auto ISO is in the scenario I mentioned earlier. So all in all, I change my method based on the situation

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Jan 2, 2015 08:10:37   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
The pros are deciding how much DOF they want in light of the composition they are trying to achieve.

You can fiddle all you want but full auto in various mode settings will probably get you your best shot. But, if you want to be a poser sit and fiddle!

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Jan 2, 2015 08:10:58   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
aisajib wrote:
I've been noticing lately that a lot of pros use Aperture priority mode when shooting outdoors. I'm not a blind followers of pros without any reason, and that's why I began to investigate why they shoot A mode most of the time.


Pros are just like everyone else, they shoot manual, A mode, P mode, and even auto mode!


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It's obvious. It saves them time. Instead of having to figure out the exposure from three settings, using A mode allows them to use only two. (One if ISO is set to auto.).



True


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However, I began using full manual mode despite the repeated failure to get the exposure right in the first few shots because I thought I was learning. "Over time, guessing the camera settings depending on the lighting condition becomes a second nature," I read somewhere.


You will find that light is easier to read the longer you do it.


Also, it's not a guessing game, you can still meter off of your hand or use a light meter to find the correct exposure.


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But the other day I noticed, it's not happening. The light is so different and versatile that at the same place at the same time but in different days, the lighting changes. So does the camera settings. So ultimately, I'm relying on the camera's light meter to determine whether the shot is well exposed or not. I try to keep the lightmeter in the middle on the first shot, look at the back LCD, and then tweak shutter speed or ISO if required.



You must decide on how to expose your image. The meter doesn't light your scene for you....you have to decide where to place the exposure, what you want the shadows to look like, if you want highlights blown out...etc.


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Lately it's bugging me, am I wasting my time?


I don't think you are.


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Indoors, I can't shoot in any auto because I use a Yongnuo manual flash and the camera seems to not know that the flash exists. So it exposes for the ambient light bumping up ISO to the highest or slowing down the shutter speed. So in indoors, I always shoot manual. Keep shutter speed between 80-100 and ISO within 400, and I change the aperture according to the flash (distance of the subject, flash power, etc).


I would seriously think about changing my MO here. If you are using a manual flash like the YN's then get them off camera and a "set distance" to the subject so you don't have to change settings...think "portrait session"

If you are using the flash ON camera then you MUST get a TTL flash if you want to keep your sanity. It's almost impossible to keep chimping and adjusting on the fly with manual flash on camera.

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But outdoors, that problem is non-existent. So I'm wondering, is there any reason why I should continue shooting in full manual and not semi-automatic?



Either way is fine. If you don't like the camera making bad decisions for you then shoot manual; that's why I do it....I HATE nasty surprises and I don't like chimping the LCD to find out if the camera and I agree on what a shot should look like.


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Also, do you guys use auto ISO? I shoot manual ISO but I'm wondering if that's another area where I'm wasting my time. I'm just looking for your opinion -- professional or personal, between shooting full manual and semi-automatic.


It's no different; you are still letting the camera "steer" and "hit the brake or the gas pedal" from the passenger seat whenever it decides to.

You have to decide how acceptable a situation like that is to you.

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