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Dec 31, 2014 11:36:58   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
Many positive thoughts to end the year and to start a new year off on the right foot. The question is whether you shoot to please yourself or to please others? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Nightski wrote:
SS ... I just posted a photo of an Eagle at 500px. It's the best shot I've ever gotten, but immediately after posting it I felt dissatisfied. I want one of those shots with the eagle flying straight for me! You described this feeling perfectly .. who wants a shot of a football player just standing there? Well ... some of the ladies might enjoy that! :wink:

But, I would not discourage photographers from going out and getting those static shots of animals. For one thing you learn things about finding them. I look at my static wildlife shots as excellent scouting trips. I often learn something about animals while I am out and about. I have a plan now to scrape a dead deer carcass off the road and haul it into a spot I know of with my decoy sled. I have to wait for snow so I can slide that thing, but it's below zero now so if I find a dead deer it will keep for a while. I would not have thought of all these things if I hadn't been out in the wilderness noticing what attracts these animals and noticing where they live. For instance .. I know where a pair of foxes raise their babies in the spring.

That bridge shot is amazing .. not only was it a once in a lifetime shot, but you handled the light perfectly and you were creative with the crowd. Some people may have been discouraged by that crowd .. you used it very effectively. You were ready, you were prepared, you were experienced enough to handle all the challenges of that shot when it came along. That's another reason why I say get out and shoot, shoot , shoot .. even if you don't have that once in a lifetime shot. What you learn is what will help you get that shot when it comes along.
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Dec 31, 2014 11:51:24   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
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Dec 31, 2014 12:08:22   #
Nightski
 
AntonioReyna wrote:
Many positive thoughts to end the year and to start a new year off on the right foot. The question is whether you shoot to please yourself or to please others? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


The reason that I picked up this photography habit two years ago, is because I wanted to share what happens to me while I'm out in the woods. My husband and my boys are not as obsessed with the wilderness and wildlife as I am. I go out in the woods everyday and everyday I would come home and describe the things I saw and the crazy things that happened to me while I was out. I wanted so badly for them to go with .. to hike with me .. to experience the magic of the outdoors ... but I would just see their eyes rolling back in their heads.

At first they laughed because they didn't think mom could ever figure out how to use a DSLR. They bought me another point and shoot and tried to talk me out of my rebel. Now .. they are starting to pay attention as my skill level increases. So no ... I don't take pictures for myself .. though I do enjoy them very much. I take them to share the magic of the outdoors .. to share the deep feeling I have for the outdoors with the people I love and others as well. I work hard at this because I know that seeing the wonders and then capturing them in a way that will convey my wonderment are very different things.

Here is a shot that I think best conveys my wonderment of swans.

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Dec 31, 2014 12:33:16   #
ediesaul
 
SharpShooter wrote:
It's been a great 10 days! I would never have imagined this much participation! Maybe we can get through the New Year!!!!
We've looked at about 5 elements that we can easily identify in our pics. It's time to mix them in to create a complex pic to tell a lot of story, or to keep it graphic and simple and let the viewer fill in the missing pieces.

A few observations. I've heard the word mysterious a few times. Personally and as per my training, mysterious is an aspect that we were unable to deliver on and put it under the label of mysterious. Such as areas that are too dark. Or too much Dark underexposed negative space.

Nature can be included in this section. A word on nature. I view nature the same way as I view sports. You wouldn't want a pic of the second baseman just standing on the field with his arms at his side. Not very thrilling. Why would you want your birds to be doing that? In nature we want to see the animal doing something or some of its environment. We want to show it's habitat, otherwise it could just as well be in the zoo for all we know. When shooting nature or sports, shoot angles that will provide that.

Travel needs to show us enough of the environment so that we can see its not in our hometown. We need anchors to let us know possibly what country or region we may be in. That's why it's travel.
But remember that one mans faraway place is another mans home. So we can shoot at home.

Sports is no different. I think you're getting my drift.

I'm going to post a few shots so that you can get an idea what we will be trying to accomplish.
I'll post one each of Travel, nature and sports.
#1, the tower bridge is easily recognizable. It's decorated as it never will be again, making the shot unique and the people make up the environment so there is no mistaking that it's a big event.
#2, is an Acorn Woodpecker, It shows him guarding his grainery tree, that's were a colony of woodpeckers store their acorns. He is in his natural habitat so we can see he is a wild bird. And he doesn't have his arms at his side!!
#3, is a sports shot of the mens 20 kilometer walk finals at the Olympic Games. We can see by the environment that there are huge excited crowds. Their number bibs tell us a little of each athlete, the country they are from and the event. The colors of their uniforms shows us their countries colors. I am close enough to see the whites in their eyes.

Closeness will always give a shot detail and add a graphic quality as you can read faces or body English.
Also with a strong enough foto, story becomes primary and technical will be less important. The less elements in a pic the more noticeable the technical flaws. Think Capa.

So lets start posting some pics. You can explain them or let your pics speak for themselves.
Also we should hopefully be able to explain special circumstances such as a special set-up or lighting in the case of a lighted portrait, especially if asked.
Remember that this is not critique, It's about learning to assemble multiple elements that we have already learned to create stronger compositions beyond the rule of 1/3's. Remember the rule of 1/3's?!
So lets have some fun with this, we've been studying for 10 days now! :lol:
Don't feel intimidated. Some here may know more than others but we all wore the same shoes at one point. Time to grow into a bigger pair. There is NO right or NO wrong....
SS
It's been a great 10 days! I would never have imag... (show quote)


Love the bridge shot. Picture postcard and tells a story.

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Dec 31, 2014 12:35:35   #
ediesaul
 
Clive22 wrote:
Waiting for tomorrow.


I like the loneliness conveyed in this photo.

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Dec 31, 2014 12:40:27   #
Sunnybuck Loc: Pleasanton, Kansas
 
Nightski wrote:
The reason that I picked up this photography habit two years ago, is because I wanted to share what happens to me while I'm out in the woods. My husband and my boys are not as obsessed with the wilderness and wildlife as I am. I go out in the woods everyday and everyday I would come home and describe the things I saw and the crazy things that happened to me while I was out. I wanted so badly for them to go with .. to hike with me .. to experience the magic of the outdoors ... but I would just see their eyes rolling back in their heads.

At first they laughed because they didn't think mom could ever figure out how to use a DSLR. They bought me another point and shoot and tried to talk me out of my rebel. Now .. they are starting to pay attention as my skill level increases. So no ... I don't take pictures for myself .. though I do enjoy them very much. I take them to share the magic of the outdoors .. to share the deep feeling I have for the outdoors with the people I love and others as well. I work hard at this because I know that seeing the wonders and then capturing them in a way that will convey my wonderment are very different things.

Here is a shot that I think best conveys my wonderment of swans.
The reason that I picked up this photography habit... (show quote)


You GO girl! 8-)
Nature presents herself in many wonderful and glorious ways. The swans are just awesome. Good capture! Thanks for sharing.

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Dec 31, 2014 12:50:55   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
Red deer in Scotland.


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Dec 31, 2014 12:52:29   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
ediesaul wrote:
Mr. Smith, I believe you're talking about the difference between a James Patterson who came from the advertising world to become the best-selling author in the U.S. and a William Kennedy who writes prose as if it were poetry and was pulled from obscurity by a Pulitzer Prize. The Depression-era photographers and Robert Capa did not compromise on subject and style to achieve their goals. And think of the the beauty of Robert Mapplethorpe's photos.

When art is beauty, no matter the style or subject, I think it's a shame to keep it to one's self. To think that your photos will remain in your computer is, to me, like someone buying a van Gogh, who never whored to the public even though his own brother was an art dealer, and keeps it in a vault, is heart-breaking. We have seen museum-worthy photos on this thread. Just my opinion.
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Edie, what you say is very true.
A quick story......when I was building furniture and selling it at crafts fairs, a young woman bought a piece and I was to deliver it. She was wearing a really beautiful ring with what appeared to be a diamond but it was to large. So, being me, I just asked her if that was a real diamond?! It just looked like a huge piece of glass or zirconium.
She pulled the ring off and handed it to me! It fit my pinkie! She proceeded to tell me that her grandmother and Louis Tiffany had been an item, and he had made that ring for her. It was his signiture cut and had Tiffany's signiture on the inside and her name. It was a 2 1/2 carat flawless diamond. When I delivered at close to midnight, she was still wearing it. In the dimly lit room, the facets were so large it actually cast prism rainbows on the walls. It was just me and her. If I had snatched it, I could have retired. She had insured it so she could wear it every day. She though just having it in a safe-deposit box was a waste of the ring. She thought everybody should be able to see it. It was impressive. ;-)
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Dec 31, 2014 12:55:38   #
bebo1998 Loc: Baltimore MD area
 
Nightski wrote:
The reason that I picked up this photography habit two years ago, is because I wanted to share what happens to me while I'm out in the woods. My husband and my boys are not as obsessed with the wilderness and wildlife as I am. I go out in the woods everyday and everyday I would come home and describe the things I saw and the crazy things that happened to me while I was out. I wanted so badly for them to go with .. to hike with me .. to experience the magic of the outdoors ... but I would just see their eyes rolling back in their heads.

At first they laughed because they didn't think mom could ever figure out how to use a DSLR. They bought me another point and shoot and tried to talk me out of my rebel. Now .. they are starting to pay attention as my skill level increases. So no ... I don't take pictures for myself .. though I do enjoy them very much. I take them to share the magic of the outdoors .. to share the deep feeling I have for the outdoors with the people I love and others as well. I work hard at this because I know that seeing the wonders and then capturing them in a way that will convey my wonderment are very different things.

Here is a shot that I think best conveys my wonderment of swans.
The reason that I picked up this photography habit... (show quote)


Two years? Are you kidding - I peeked on your site - the photos certainly achieve your goal and then some.
:thumbup:

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Dec 31, 2014 12:58:38   #
bebo1998 Loc: Baltimore MD area
 
skylane5sp wrote:
Graphic...

I am so curious how you captured this barrel shot (where were you). What is it? Reminds me of a traffic jam in the Holland Tunnel. Cool

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Dec 31, 2014 13:01:53   #
Nightski
 
Ugly Jake wrote:
How about a " Bitsy Big-Boy Boomaroo"?


Skillfully done, Jake.

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Dec 31, 2014 13:02:35   #
Nightski
 
Clive22 wrote:
Waiting for tomorrow.


The emptiness is eerie ... would love to see a b&w of this!

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Dec 31, 2014 13:20:42   #
ediesaul
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Edie, what you say is very true.
A quick story......when I was building furniture and selling it at crafts fairs, a young woman bought a piece and I was to deliver it. She was wearing a really beautiful ring with what appeared to be a diamond but it was to large. So, being me, I just asked her if that was a real diamond?! It just looked like a huge piece of glass or zirconium.
She pulled the ring off and handed it to me! It fit my pinkie! She proceeded to tell me that her grandmother and Louis Tiffany had been an item, and he had made that ring for her. It was his signiture cut and had Tiffany's signiture on the inside and her name. It was a 2 1/2 carat flawless diamond. When I delivered at close to midnight, she was still wearing it. In the dimly lit room, the facets were so large it actually cast prism rainbows on the walls. It was just me and her. If I had snatched it, I could have retired. She had insured it so she could wear it every day. She though just having it in a safe-deposit box was a waste of the ring. She thought everybody should be able to see it. It was impressive. ;-)
SS
Edie, what you say is very true. br A quick story... (show quote)


That's my type of woman!!!! My sister-in-law has a table cloth she loves and keeps in a drawer. I once asked her if she were waiting for the President to dine at her house. On the other hand, I inherited some embroidered pieces made by my great-great-grandmother. I started to use them, but then was afraid of the chemicals that professional cleaners use. So, I had the pieces framed. I see them everyday. I love them.

Your story about the Tiffany diamond is one for the books! Wow! She will probably keep them in the family, but wouldn't it be wonderful if she would loan them to a museum for the public to see every once in a while?

Thanks for the wonderful story. One never knows what one will learn on this site!!!

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What I like about this photo:

Tension: We don't know what, at hip level, the subject of the photographer is. There is a mystery here.

Environment: Altho' one can't tell what the space is, it is undergoing renovations. Rubble is on the floor. Sheets are where the windows are supposed to be. Overgrown nature outside contradicts the dereliction inside.

Composition: The diagonal strings complement the hip movement of the photographer. They are at odds with the straightness of the panes of the windows. Our eyes peruse the entire photo but are always drawn back to the woman aiming the camera at something.

Lighting: The sheets on the windows provide a subtle cast and shadows to the colors, which I like.

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Dec 31, 2014 13:39:04   #
Nightski
 
Graham Smith wrote:
Red deer in Scotland.


Graham ... you should post that funny seagull you have. :-D

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Dec 31, 2014 13:42:10   #
Nightski
 
bebo1998 wrote:
Two years? Are you kidding - I peeked on your site - the photos certainly achieve your goal and then some.
:thumbup:


Ask Graham ... he gets every dumb question I have .. lol .. ask him about the handle thingy on my Sigma 150-500. :lol: :oops:

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