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Dec 29, 2014 13:48:56   #
ediesaul
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I see everybody is finally having fun!
A few quick comments. Of course we can always use Graham as an example, as his shots are never NOT excellent.
Keep in mind that this is about environment. We want the environment to tell the story, not the subject. For sure it's about the subject but we need the trappings to complete the story we want to tell. We don't want to see just the doorway, we want to see the building AND the street along with what we are seeing!
We need as much of the surrounding as we can get.
I realize that we may not be used to doing that. We usually zero in on a subject with little environment and we present the subject but we don't include have much environment.
That's the whole purpose here, to make us aware to start to SEE the BIGGER picture! It's one of the tools that will help us to take our photography to the next level. And we all want the next level. RIGHT?!
We want to see MORE than an isolated activity, we want to see a complete story.
I like to look at them as two pictures in one. Take the subject OUT and you still have a shot! That's what makes it a complex composition. Take out the environment and we still have a shot. :thumbup:
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Wow! That's a novel concept for me!

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Dec 29, 2014 14:02:00   #
Nightski
 
ediesaul wrote:
Wow! That's a novel concept for me!


I don't think I could take the subject out of one of the environment pics I posted and still have a shot. :-(

Another try! sigh!

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Dec 29, 2014 14:06:52   #
ediesaul
 
Ugly Jake wrote:
Thanks, Edie - that's my youngest, front rank on the right -


You must be sooo proud! Guess he didn't inherit the "ugly" DNA. :) Congratulations, and please thank him for me for his service to this country.

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Dec 29, 2014 14:08:51   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I see everybody is finally having fun!
A few quick comments. Of course we can always use Graham as an example, as his shots are never NOT excellent.
Keep in mind that this is about environment. We want the environment to tell the story, not the subject. For sure it's about the subject but we need the trappings to complete the story we want to tell. We don't want to see just the doorway, we want to see the building AND the street along with what we are seeing!
We need as much of the surrounding as we can get.
I realize that we may not be used to doing that. We usually zero in on a subject with little environment and we present the subject but we don't include have much environment.
That's the whole purpose here, to make us aware to start to SEE the BIGGER picture! It's one of the tools that will help us to take our photography to the next level. And we all want the next level. RIGHT?!
We want to see MORE than an isolated activity, we want to see a complete story.
I like to look at them as two pictures in one. Take the subject OUT and you still have a shot! That's what makes it a complex composition. Take out the environment and we still have a shot. :thumbup:
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SS
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I think these pictures are an illustration of your point SS. Each picture contains all the information needed for the viewer to be able to understand the subject.


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Dec 29, 2014 14:15:07   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Great thread! Thank you for starting it and all those that have commented.

My contribution to juxtaposition -- I think.

Comments?


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Dec 29, 2014 14:15:28   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
sorry -- double entry

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Dec 29, 2014 14:24:02   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Graham Smith wrote:
I think these pictures are an illustration of your point SS. Each picture contains all the information needed for the viewer to be able to understand the subject.

Graham, your shots usually do!
Your landscape is a great example. Thanks for posting your pics :thumbup:
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Dec 29, 2014 14:35:05   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I see everybody is finally having fun!
A few quick comments. Of course we can always use Graham as an example, as his shots are never NOT excellent.
Keep in mind that this is about environment. We want the environment to tell the story, not the subject. For sure it's about the subject but we need the trappings to complete the story we want to tell. We don't want to see just the doorway, we want to see the building AND the street along with what we are seeing!
We need as much of the surrounding as we can get.
I realize that we may not be used to doing that. We usually zero in on a subject with little environment and we present the subject but we don't include have much environment.
That's the whole purpose here, to make us aware to start to SEE the BIGGER picture! It's one of the tools that will help us to take our photography to the next level. And we all want the next level. RIGHT?!
We want to see MORE than an isolated activity, we want to see a complete story.
I like to look at them as two pictures in one. Take the subject OUT and you still have a shot! That's what makes it a complex composition. Take out the environment and we still have a shot. :thumbup:
SS
SS
I see everybody is finally having fun! br A few qu... (show quote)


I could definitely take the Russian fish skinner out of the photo of Deception Point Bridge and still have a photo. Not so sure about the young lady in the dance studio, it would be boring. Where I always get slammed in critique is for including TOO MUCH environment, and not honing in on just the single subject.

Here's one of Trap Day in Maine and one of the Kuekenhof gardens in Amsterdam. In the second one I used focus to try to isolate the subject while keeping the background. The first one is "everything in" corner to corner but trying to hem them up with their traps.


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Dec 29, 2014 14:52:33   #
ediesaul
 
ediesaul wrote:
Wow! That's a novel concept for me!


Don't think many of my photos would qualify. I usually try to zoom in on one subject. Here's an example of an original, which, with pp, might qualify, but the second photo is the one I was after. If I took the bird out of the third shot, I still would have the bay, but I don't think it would be an interesting shot.

Will have to go out and practice.

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Bird
Bird...
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Dec 29, 2014 15:01:27   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Time for some cider


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Dec 29, 2014 15:40:38   #
bebo1998 Loc: Baltimore MD area
 
ediesaul wrote:
bebo1998: All fantastic shots: interesting subjects; very colorful; great composition; sharp. Wonderful job!


Thanks for your encouragement, Edie, as usual. "To crop or not to crop ............................."!

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Dec 29, 2014 15:40:49   #
Clive22 Loc: Sacramento, CA
 
Environmental

California Sheephead
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Dec 29, 2014 15:42:31   #
bebo1998 Loc: Baltimore MD area
 
Clive22 wrote:
Environmental


Couldn't get more environmental than that one - makes me wish I could swim! :thumbup:

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Dec 29, 2014 15:45:31   #
bebo1998 Loc: Baltimore MD area
 
ediesaul wrote:
Don't think many of my photos would qualify. I usually try to zoom in on one subject. Here's an example of an original, which, with pp, might qualify, but the second photo is the one I was after. If I took the bird out of the third shot, I still would have the bay, but I don't think it would be an interesting shot.

Will have to go out and practice.
I'm with you, Edie. I enjoy your shots, nevertheless.

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Dec 29, 2014 15:46:20   #
bebo1998 Loc: Baltimore MD area
 
dave sproul wrote:
Time for some cider


wow! the old fashioned way - I can smell it - nice.

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