Time for my annual rant
Dec 23, 2014 19:38:15 #
Bangee5 wrote:
If you do not mind, here it is from Matthew's Gospel: Matthew 1:18-21 (NIV2011) .
Thank you for the information. Does that make Joseph Jesus's father-in-law?
Dec 23, 2014 19:49:37 #
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travelwp wrote:
I didn't know that part. Does the bible mention that Joseph was going to break the engagement?
I didn't know that part. Does the bible mention that Joseph was going to break the engagement?
Bangee5 wrote:
"His people" were Jewish, so to be saved one must be Jewish? He supposedly has saved so many others who were not Jewish, even to this day. So, did he sneak that one around God?If you do not mind, here it is from Matthew's Gosp... (show quote)
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.
So did Jesus really "save his people" from their sins, as God said, when almost none of the Jewish people believed Jesus was the Christ? I would say that, unlike what God said Jesus would do, Jesus did not do what God said Jesus would do.
Dec 23, 2014 19:54:43 #
Sorry that I missed it the first time. No excuse on my part other than I commented without seeing it all. Again my apologies sir and Merry Christmas. Thanks for your mercy
silver wrote:
This is a problem with the internet. People make mistakes by not understanding what is going on. I was referring to the post made by croce insinuating that "jews were greasing christians at christmas time". I really appreciate your letting me know about this issue. I have no bad feelings at all.
Dec 23, 2014 20:10:59 #
travelwp wrote:
Thank you for the information. Does that make Joseph Jesus's father-in-law?
Now you are being silly. Joseph would be Jesus Step-father. You are under the impression that Mary had to have sex to become pregnant- If God can create the earth and the heavens from nothing, surely he can create a baby inside the womb of a female.
Dec 23, 2014 20:16:06 #
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Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
davidheald1942 wrote:
BULL CRAP!!!!!
BULL CRAP to YOUR BULL CRAP
Why don't you do a LITTLE research before you "open your mouth"; he is 100% right.. I used to read, write, and even speak both ancient and modern Greek...
Dec 23, 2014 20:18:31 #
James Shaw wrote:
"His people" were Jewish, so to be saved... (show quote)
Jesus came to the Jews first, knowing that he would be rejected and killed by them at the hands of the Roman's. After his death he included the gentiles as it was foretold, all according to God's plans. Of course not everyone was saved, as you know but God is not done with the Jews and at the right time the Jews with come to accept Jesus.
Not everyone will be saved James. It is that FREE-WILL thing that keeps getting in the way.
Dec 23, 2014 20:19:29 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Joseph would be Jesus Step-father.
So, it would appear that Joseph was unnecessary in this family, unless you were to say the Mary and Joseph had other children. Did they?
Dec 23, 2014 20:27:26 #
Yes they did......
They had "WHO"s on First
AND
"WHAT"s on Second
Several others that only Bud Abbott can explain with a little help from Lou Costello ;) ;) :thumbup: :thumbup:
They had "WHO"s on First
AND
"WHAT"s on Second
Several others that only Bud Abbott can explain with a little help from Lou Costello ;) ;) :thumbup: :thumbup:
travelwp wrote:
So, it would appear that Joseph was unnecessary in this family, unless you were to say the Mary and Joseph had other children. Did they?
Dec 23, 2014 20:37:11 #
travelwp wrote:
So, it would appear that Joseph was unnecessary in this family, unless you were to say the Mary and Joseph had other children. Did they?
Yes, brothers and sisters by Joseph. Mary and Joseph where from the lineage of David. Joseph was very necessary as a father-figure, unlike it is today were a woman can have children form different men. You could say that by todays standards men are not necessary to the family. BTW, Joseph was a carpenter.
Dec 23, 2014 20:38:36 #
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James Shaw wrote: br "His people" were J... (show quote)
Bangee5 wrote:
Well, nothing is "getting in the way," as you say, except my curiosity perhaps. My curiosity has been aroused from the discussions on this thread. Your answer is most reasonable to me but my question just centered around did Jesus save the Jews as God's angel said?Jesus came to the Jews first, knowing that he would be rejected and killed by them at the hands of the Roman's. After his death he included the gentiles as it was foretold, all according to God's plans. Of course not everyone was saved, as you know but God is not done with the Jews and at the right time the Jews with come to accept Jesus.
Not everyone will be saved James. It is that FREE-WILL thing that keeps getting in the way.
Not everyone will be saved James. It is that FREE-WILL thing that keeps getting in the way.
I have forwarded the question that I ask above to an emeritus N.T. Bible Scholar that I have communicate with on occasion, that lives in England. And I shall forward his response if indeed he responds, should you be interested?
Thanks for your input. I am just a curious and the subject of "Free Will" is not on my mind at this time, so it cannot "get in the way."
Dec 23, 2014 20:42:49 #
Dec 23, 2014 20:48:58 #
James Shaw wrote:
Well, nothing is "getting in the way," a... (show quote)
I would say YES, that is, those that accepted Jesus as savoir. NO, he did no because there were those who rejected him. Just as it is with the gentiles. Remember, not every one who calls him Lord will be saved.
It is not a matter of being afraid of being saved or not. Why would anyone be afraid? It is a matter of the "Will" - your choice to be saved, to accept Jesus.
Yes, I would be interested in what your Bible Scholar friend has to say.
Dec 23, 2014 20:51:59 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Well, I changed the "afraid" but you did not see it, yet. Neither "afraid' nor "free will" applies to this post for my purposes. The N.T. scholar is more of an acquaintance, who has or is becoming a communicating friend.I would say YES, that is, those that accepted Jesus as savoir. NO, he did no because there were those who rejected him. Just as it is with the gentiles. Remember, not every one who calls him Lord will be saved.
It is not a matter of being afraid of being saved or not. Why would anyone be afraid? It is a matter of the "Will" - your choice to be saved, to accept Jesus.
Yes, I would be interested in what your Bible Scholar friend has to say.
It is not a matter of being afraid of being saved or not. Why would anyone be afraid? It is a matter of the "Will" - your choice to be saved, to accept Jesus.
Yes, I would be interested in what your Bible Scholar friend has to say.
Dec 23, 2014 20:55:11 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Yes, brothers and sisters by Joseph. Mary and Joseph where from the lineage of David. Joseph was very necessary as a father-figure, unlike it is today were a woman can have children form different men. You could say that by todays standards men are not necessary to the family. BTW, Joseph was a carpenter.
Thank you. Your words are much easier to read than the ancient words.
As to the "men are not necessary to the family", my comment is that 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. I think that not having a father-figure at home accounts for much of the bad attitudes and crime that we are seeing lately.
Dec 23, 2014 20:59:26 #
travelwp wrote:
Thank you. Your words are much easier to read than the ancient words.
As to the "men are not necessary to the family", my comment is that 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. I think that not having a father-figure at home accounts for much of the bad attitudes and crime that we are seeing lately.
As to the "men are not necessary to the family", my comment is that 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. I think that not having a father-figure at home accounts for much of the bad attitudes and crime that we are seeing lately.
I think you are right. :cry:
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