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Dec 21, 2014 18:12:16   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?

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Dec 21, 2014 18:17:12   #
Bob Yankle Loc: Burlington, NC
 
It depends ..... it may be that the patterns in the water are worthy subjects of their own so it's not inconceivable that you might want to place your ship in the top third of the frame. The same thing goes for the fore and aft orientation ..... what is the more interesting view?

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Dec 21, 2014 18:52:18   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Yes.

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Dec 21, 2014 20:13:23   #
LarryFB Loc: Depends where our RV is parked
 
n3eg wrote:
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?


One thing to consider, do you want the fact that the ship is in water to be part of the impact of the photo, or do you want the emphasize the look of the sky or other elements of the background? If you want to emphasize the water, the ship should be on the upper part of the frame, if you want to emphasize the the sky or other elements of the background then the ship should be on the bottom of the photo.

In landscape photography, you place the horizon on one of the horizontal thirds depending on what you are trying to emphasize.

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Dec 21, 2014 20:18:18   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
n3eg wrote:
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?

The guideline that the rule of thumb about thirds provides is valid on any axis.

But keep in mind it's a guide, not the Law Of The Land! That means it is commonly true that good composition will result in objects located on the location suggested. But... not necessarily! And the "1/3rd" lines are not really a geographic set of lines drawn blindly on the frame either. Objects in an image are "attractive" in different ways to a viewer, in that some are more dominant that others. Some colors, the brightness, the size, and other characteristics all influence how dominant, or not, an object is. More dominant objects need differnt placement in relation to less dominat objects. Those 1/3rd lines relate to dominance as much as simple geography.

The correct positioning of everything within the image frame is exactly what "composition" is. The role of the photographer is to decide exactly what the photograph is going to look like. Hence the way to decide where things should be located is not related directly to lines dividing the image into 1/3rds! It's a matter of looking at the scene and deciding what placement provides the image you as the photographer want the photograph to be.

The way to know what is right is to look at the image, not at a grid of lines.

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Dec 21, 2014 20:18:57   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
n3eg wrote:
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?


There are many compositional rules that will work, of which thirds is one, and it does not have to be the bottom third line, it could well be the top third line, but my general answer would be - yes, this can be a good option, but it is not the only option.

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Dec 21, 2014 20:40:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
n3eg wrote:
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?


It's generally better to NOT locate a horizontal/vertical bisecting line in the middle. ;-)
SS

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Dec 21, 2014 21:11:38   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
SharpShooter wrote:
It's generally better to NOT locate a horizontal/vertical bisecting line in the middle. ;-)
SS


But there are exceptions as well.
A central bisecting line can work very well for mirrored reflections and other images that work because of their symmetry.

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Dec 21, 2014 21:18:13   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
lighthouse wrote:
But there are exceptions as well.
A central bisecting line can work very well for mirrored reflections and other images that work because of their symmetry.


Yes, absolutely. NO rule is either inflexible or not brittle, Generally! :lol:
SS

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Dec 22, 2014 05:58:07   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
n3eg wrote:
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?

That all depends on the situation but do not let the rule of thirds be in complete control. Look at the picture as seen through the viewfinder and then make the decision. Also take multiple images and decide which one you like best. Remember the rule of thirds is only a guide for good photography but nothing is etched in stone when it come too art.

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Dec 22, 2014 06:35:24   #
Ugly Jake Loc: Sub-Rural Vermont
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Yes, absolutely. NO rule is either inflexible or not brittle, Generally! :lol:
SS


What SS said - my camera has a view mode with the "recommendation of thirds" in a grid on the viewfinder - turned it off after 5 or 6 very boring shots; drove me crazy! Keep in mind the "rule", but some compositions won't work unless centered.

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Dec 22, 2014 06:39:48   #
heyjoe Loc: cincinnati ohio
 
i would put the ship in lower corner,if ship is moving right to left
then put in right corner, a bird landing from right,i would put him in top right corner, I like to leave area open where my subject is heading

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Dec 22, 2014 07:24:17   #
Scoutman Loc: Orlando, FL
 
n3eg wrote:
Is there a horizontal rule of thirds? For example, ships on a river - is it better to locate the ships in the bottom third of the frame?


It may be helpful for you to turn on the illustrated grid pattern in your camera, if it has that feature. Helps with horizon line and vertical light straightening as well.



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Dec 22, 2014 07:29:51   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
At a recent class in photography the teacher said the prime spots to locate important objects in a photograph is where the horizontal and vertical lines defining the thirds INTERSECT. Since in dividing the scene into thirds there are two horizontal and two vertical lines you have 4 optimum locations. Well. I don't know if I really follow this. I just move around and adjust the zoom to get the look I want. Then in PP crop to enhance my vision of the scene. Maybe the rule of thirds is built into our brains. Not a pro but often get fine pictures.

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Dec 22, 2014 07:31:04   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Scoutman wrote:
It may be helpful for you to turn on the illustrated grid pattern in your camera, if it has that feature. Helps with horizon line and vertical light straightening as well.


The image from Scoutman above illustrates what my teacher said.

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