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Dec 13, 2014 18:44:27   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Kuzano wrote:
ASUS... have been building desktop computers using ton of ASUS motherboards... not exclusively.... but hundreds of them since 1992 when I started building at a busy computer shop. Have had a couple of their laptops... all good, no problems.

Lenovo... Would normally said good, and they certainly have been. Last night I read a withering review by a corporate person who blasted their support... no complaints on hardware, but cut purchasing from them altogether for the support issue.

Normally I'd rank the two similar. And the support for corporate and consumer are often different channels.

However, it tells me I would check that out before Lenovo purchase. And that's considering my long standing good feelings about ASUS.

The other factor would have been price. Given an Oranges to Oranges comparison on ASUS/Lenovo, I would anticipate the Lenovo to be more expensive. I'm not sure they have gotten over their "high" from providing the "Think Pad" laptops and Notebooks for IBM.
ASUS... have been building desktop computers using... (show quote)



I read the same scathing post regarding Lenovo support. Although I can see a different level of support for corporate customers vs individuals, I found it concerning that individuals are treated at lower level.
I think until I check it out, Asus has been raised a notch.

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Dec 13, 2014 21:12:39   #
jecanes Loc: Taumarunui, New Zealand
 
Dngallagher wrote:
XP Pro????? Dead and gone.... Windows 7 if you really look, beg and plead... otherwise, your gonna be stuck with that crappy Windows 8.1 junk...


What a load of balderdash, Windows 8.1 out performs 7 in most, if not all, respects!
In it's native form its looks different, but you don't need to use the "Metro" interface.
The "Windows" interface is similar enough to Windows 7 that any 7 or 70 year old can learn the differences in a couple of hours.
However, if you're too darned stuck in the past to learn that's your problem.
I'm not going to get into a PC/Apple argument, they both run on the same hardware,
Apple's monitors have a slight edge, but the gap is not as wide as it used to be.
Most people compare expensive Apples with cheaper PCs, if you go for a PC that's priced as high as an Apple the only difference is the OS. So go with your PERSONAL FAVOURITE!
As far hardware is concerned, it depends on what you want to run on your new computer. If, like most of us, you aspire to the Lightroom/Photoshop combo, then IMHO you need at least ....
1. A quad core processor, Intel I7 or AMD A8.
2. A minimum 8GB RAM (more is better).
3. Dedicated 2GB graphics RAM.
4. Storage ...
.....a. a 1TB HDD, partitioned for..
..........i. for OS and programs,
.........ii. LR catalogue/cache,
........iii. Photoshop scratch disk,
........iv. Photograph storage.
......b. a 512GB SSD, partitioned as i,ii,iii above,
..........and a 512GB HDD (external if new computer is a laptop) for photograph storage.
5. IPS Monitor (biggest and best you can afford).
6. DVD R/W, nice to have but not essential.
7. At least one (preferably 2) external 1TB HDDs for backups.

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Dec 13, 2014 21:20:57   #
mdorn Loc: Portland, OR
 
jecanes wrote:
Apple's monitors have a slight edge, but the gap is not as wide as it used to be.


Really? Please share. "Retina" display is pure marketing! However, if you have stats to show a slight edge, I'd like to see them. Thanks.

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Dec 13, 2014 21:26:44   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
jecanes wrote:
What a load of balderdash, Windows 8.1 out performs 7 in most, if not all, respects!
In it's native form its looks different, but you don't need to use the "Metro" interface.
The "Windows" interface is similar enough to Windows 7 that any 7 or 70 year old can learn the differences in a couple of hours.
However, if you're too darned stuck in the past to learn that's your problem.
I'm not going to get into a PC/Apple argument, they both run on the same hardware,
Apple's monitors have a slight edge, but the gap is not as wide as it used to be.
Most people compare expensive Apples with cheaper PCs, if you go for a PC that's priced as high as an Apple the only difference is the OS. So go with your PERSONAL FAVOURITE!
As far hardware is concerned, it depends on what you want to run on your new computer. If, like most of us, you aspire to the Lightroom/Photoshop combo, then you need at least ....
1. A quad core processor, Intel I7 or AMD A8.
2. A minimum 8GB RAM (more is better).
3. Dedicated 2GB graphics RAM.
4. Storage ...
a. a 1TB HDD, partitioned for..
i. for OS and programs,
ii. LR catalogue/cache,
iii. Photoshop scratch disk,
iv. Photograph storage.
b. a 512GB SSD, partitioned as i,ii,iii above,
and a 512GB HDD (external if new computer is a
laptop) for photograph storage.
5. IPS Monitor (biggest and best you can afford).
6. DVD R/W, nice to have but not essential.
7. At least one (preferably 2) external 1TB HDDs for backups.
What a load of balderdash, Windows 8.1 out perform... (show quote)


Glad you are NOT getting into an argument about PC vs Apple - I choose APPLE as my hardware and OSX/UNIX as the OS....I trust No one thinks Winblows can compete with UNIX, a true multitasking system with security built in from the ground up.

You get what you pay for....

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Dec 14, 2014 16:45:07   #
NJphotodoc Loc: Now in the First State
 
You can also go to the vendor sites (HP, Dell, Lenovo) and look at their outlet/refurb pages. You can a solid machine with Window 7 Pro for a lot less.
Unless you know W-8, stick with W-7. It is a solid operating system and you won't get stuck having to buy subscription software (i.e. Office 365 or the Photoshop). It's also why most big companies have insisted the Msoft continue to support and sell W-7 since W-8 is such a piece of dung. If you don't believe me, just look at their sales.

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Dec 14, 2014 22:37:48   #
Rick-ws Loc: Seattle or North Idaho
 
oldtigger wrote:
Ok, we got it narrowed down.

I want windows, PC, 8 gig ram, 2.6-3 G processor. at least Core 2 Duo. Serial drives
Prefer XP Pro but understand i may have to get something later.

Not interested in Mac, 4/5 K, 32 gig ram, solid state drives or raid arrays.

Gene51 is a possibe go-to, any other suggestions?


Win7 will be supported with security fixes until 2020 if I recall correctly.

Win 8 is a big switch, but if change is not an issue, adopt it, it has an even longer life.

I build my own systems but steer my friends to name brand boxes. Your HW is OK, but I recommend an i5 Intel Processor or greater. Deal is, it will become a slug over time with a core 2 duo or i3.

I buy win 7 from Newegg and Fry's for my builds (~$90).

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Dec 15, 2014 01:44:23   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
oldtigger wrote:
Ok, we got it narrowed down.

I want windows, PC, 8 gig ram, 2.6-3 G processor. at least Core 2 Duo. Serial drives
Prefer XP Pro but understand i may have to get something later.

Not interested in Mac, 4/5 K, 32 gig ram, solid state drives or raid arrays.

Gene51 is a possibe go-to, any other suggestions?


Tiger Direct has some Intel i5 PCs by Acer, with 8GB of RAM, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, a nice graphics accelerator card, and probably everything else you need - except a monitor that is sold separately. The desktop PC is about $475. Acer is a good company, the thing is fast (my brother just bought that one and one of the next step up more loaded version too). A matching Acer 23" or larger monitor is excellent (that's what I use) and cheap. So you'd have about $650 total invested.

Don't even think about Windows XP. It's long gone. You have to buy at least Windows 7. You'll catch on to it quickly. I don't like Windows 8 so I won't recommend that.

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Dec 15, 2014 08:12:21   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Gee.. guess it is not a secret after all.... :D

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/will-windows-10-prompt-surge-pc-upgrades-2015/

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Dec 16, 2014 16:25:01   #
RV Loc: Chicago
 
If your looking for a new computer to handle your Image Processing forget Best Buy, Dell, HP, and so on. Best choice is to have one built for your specific needs. After much research I ended up choosing a company called CPU Solutions. I called on a Monday and had my new machine the following Monday. I can't say enough about their professionalism and products they offer. Check them out here:

http://www.cpusolutions.com/store/pc/home.asp You can also check them out on Resellerratings.com

Good Luck

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Dec 20, 2014 16:22:00   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
oldtigger wrote:
my 10-12 year old computer lost is mind yesterday.
Its days are numbered.
Who is a good go-to hogger for basic questions on upgrading for photography?


Save your money- if it is 10 to 12 years old the CPU is too many generations out of date; the motherboard won't accept sufficient memory, and it lacks the physical inputs for modern fast either net, USB3 HTML and other connectivity. You'll be way ahead to spend your money on something new , or at least made within the last two years if you buy a refurb. Do use SEARCH on our forum to look for "computer upgrades; computers for photographers; computers for photo imaging".

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Dec 20, 2014 18:16:35   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Ran across this ad - built by private business owner (he has others)
Desktop-AMD Phenom II X6 2.8 GH 6 core processor
8GB Ram
PCI-E powered graphics-500GB Radeon HD 6950 (hope I got it right) (100 watts just for graphics)
550 watts-dual 12V layer (whatever that is)to prevent burnout.
500GB SATA 7200 RPM
Win 7 and MS Office 2003 loaded.
What say ye photo / puter nerds! Good enough, more or different?
It's listed as a "Gaming" computer. $590. No keyboard or monitor. 3 month service for problems included.

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Dec 21, 2014 02:18:14   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Ran across this ad - built by private business owner (he has others)
Desktop-AMD Phenom II X6 2.8 GH 6 core processor
8GB Ram
PCI-E powered graphics-500GB Radeon HD 6950 (hope I got it right) (100 watts just for graphics)
550 watts-dual 12V layer (whatever that is)to prevent burnout.
500GB SATA 7200 RPM
Win 7 and MS Office 2003 loaded.
What say ye photo / puter nerds! Good enough, more or different?
It's listed as a "Gaming" computer. $590. No keyboard or monitor. 3 month service for problems included.
Ran across this ad - built by private business ow... (show quote)


You really ought to have an Intel i5 or i7, not AMD.

8GB of RAM memory is "ok" but not gamer level today. A gaming machine would have 16GB of RAM. You should too for that matter.

Graphics card should have 1.5+GB, there is no 500GB graphic card that I'm aware of. It likely has .5 (point 5)GB which is 1/2 of a GB. My 4 year old Dell has 1GB so that's lame.

550 watt power supply is no big deal. Most anything you're going to do in photography doesn't need that much power so it's like tell you that your car has 500 horsepower available but you do all downtown city driving.

500GB hard drive is not big. Most all computers come with at least 2X that much and usually 3X that much (1TB or 1.5TB).

You could do much better for that price. Look at Acer computers at TigerDirect.

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Dec 21, 2014 10:09:58   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
marcomarks wrote:
You really ought to have an Intel i5 or i7, not AMD.

8GB of RAM memory is "ok" but not gamer level today. A gaming machine would have 16GB of RAM. You should too for that matter.

Graphics card should have 1.5+GB, there is no 500GB graphic card that I'm aware of. It likely has .5 (point 5)GB which is 1/2 of a GB. My 4 year old Dell has 1GB so that's lame.

550 watt power supply is no big deal. Most anything you're going to do in photography doesn't need that much power so it's like tell you that your car has 500 horsepower available but you do all downtown city driving.

500GB hard drive is not big. Most all computers come with at least 2X that much and usually 3X that much (1TB or 1.5TB).

You could do much better for that price. Look at Acer computers at TigerDirect.
You really ought to have an Intel i5 or i7, not AM... (show quote)




Will set sights higher. Appreciate your critique and expertise. Thank you.

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Dec 21, 2014 10:37:51   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Will set sights higher. Appreciate your critique and expertise. Thank you.


thats a 2 gig video card. not .5 gig.
I've used the $400-$600 video boards.
Ok for games but the chip on system board does fine for photowork and its free.

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Dec 21, 2014 10:53:19   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
oldtigger wrote:
thats a 2 gig video card. not .5 gig.
I've used the $400-$600 video boards.
Ok for games but the chip on system board does fine for photowork and its free.



Good inf. Thank you. So used to using laptop for past 7 yrs, still torn between them and desktop unit, but really liking the idea of a big IPS monitor. Lol

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