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Nov 27, 2014 08:56:53   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
frjack wrote:
Where was this taken? Beautiful.


Thanks for the comment. St. Lawrence Basilica in Asheville, NC. My avatar is another photo from my shoot in this beautiful church.

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Nov 27, 2014 09:08:59   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
What camera (FF, 3/4, APS-C...) and lens did you use? (I know I could just check the image data, but I am on my kindle right now) I ask for the educational value. It is a very nice shot!

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Nov 27, 2014 09:14:59   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
dsmeltz wrote:
What camera (FF, 3/4, APS-C...) and lens did you use? (I know I could just check the image data, but I am on my kindle right now) I ask for the educational value. It is a very nice shot!


Since you didn't quote my response, not sure you are asking about the Basilica photo. If you are, D800, 16-35 f/4 at 16mm, f/11, 2 seconds, ISO 100... 8-) Should add tripod, MUP mode, cable release...

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Nov 27, 2014 09:15:05   #
frjack Loc: Boston, MA
 
mrjcall wrote:
Thanks for the comment. St. Lawrence Basilica in Asheville, NC. My avatar is another photo from my shoot in this beautiful church.


Very nice. Time for a road trip. Or at least after the snow melts.

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Nov 27, 2014 09:36:05   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
While a tripod would be very helpful for church interiors, I've found over many years of shooting under those conditions that it's impractical more often than not . My solution has been to shoot with a high ISO - typically 3200 or even 6400 and live with the consequences. Church interiors have such a variety of lighting sources that I don't even bother with trying to determine WB. I shoot in RAW exclusively, so deal with that element in pp.

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Nov 27, 2014 10:00:15   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
windshoppe wrote:
While a tripod would be very helpful for church interiors, I've found over many years of shooting under those conditions that it's impractical more often than not . My solution has been to shoot with a high ISO - typically 3200 or even 6400 and live with the consequences. Church interiors have such a variety of lighting sources that I don't even bother with trying to determine WB. I shoot in RAW exclusively, so deal with that element in pp.


Really, really disagree with your approach as your high ISO causes all sorts of issues. I have had no problem whatsoever using a tripod in the many churches shot this summer. Just don't do it while church is in session, eh? :roll:

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Nov 27, 2014 10:05:45   #
sidpearce
 
My own method of shooting Church Interiors is
Tripod, Cable release. Camera settings Aperture Priority, Raw, Lens set to sweet Spot. Bracket. 2 up 2 down. If tripod out of question, use beanbag on pew. Bracketing helps to avoid burnt out windows Taken thousands of picks like this over many years in UK. But as ever expect to get your share of failures

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Nov 27, 2014 10:08:53   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
sidpearce wrote:
My own method of shooting Church Interiors is
Tripod, Cable release. Camera settings Aperture Priority, Raw, Lens set to sweet Spot. Bracket. 2 up 2 down. If tripod out of question, use beanbag on pew. Bracketing helps to avoid burnt out windows Taken thousands of picks like this over many years in UK. But as ever expect to get your share of failures


Now there's a shooter with a good approach and I'd bet you don't have many failures... :thumbup: Assume low ISO btw?

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Nov 27, 2014 10:29:40   #
sidpearce
 
Sorry should hace said 100 ISO Perhaps 10% average failure rate Similar settings for stately homes or castles since you are in Europe

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Nov 27, 2014 10:36:10   #
Lima Bean Loc: Finger Lakes NY
 
mrjcall wrote:
Do yourself a favor and take along a tripod and USE IT!! Even a lightweight is better than trying handheld. Use your lowest ISO, set the f stop at your lens sweet spot between f/8 and f/11 and use the camera meter to determine shutter speed. Probably will be multiple seconds so use a cable release. I know, too much to take along and mess with right? Wrong!! You have the opportunity of a life time to shoot the church interiors so do it right and you won't regret it. As everyone else is indicating, shoot RAW and primarily for the highlights. Then recover shadow details in PP. The following was taken using the above techniques.....
Do yourself a favor and take along a tripod and US... (show quote)


Based upon my recent experience taking photos in an older urban church and much good advice I received from members of this list the above list essentially nails it. To get a good image of a single window with a center above your line of sight a long lens and distance will minimize inverse keystone shape distortion. Bill

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Nov 27, 2014 10:50:11   #
dsnoke Loc: North Georgia, USA
 
Also, don't forget to try the D7100's in-camera HDR. I used that quite successfully inside old abbeys and churches in Scotland recently without a tripod. That does not work with raw mode; you have to be shooting JPEG of some quality. You also have to be steady for a relatively long time, like up to a half second, but the results are excellent IMHO. As others have noted, I was using ISO 3200 (or higher as necessary to get a reasonable shutter speed.)

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Nov 27, 2014 10:54:13   #
dsnoke Loc: North Georgia, USA
 
Having done this sort of tour, you may not have time to set up and use a tripod. So take it, but be prepared not to use it. I did a hiking tour of Scotland a couple months back without ever using a tripod. Inside abbeys and churches, I used the D7100 in-camera HDR quite successfully. You have to be shooting JPEG. This is not available in raw mode. I ran the ISO up to 3200 or 6400 in order to get a shutter speed I could handle. Worth a thought.

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Nov 27, 2014 11:58:54   #
Kishka Loc: Grafton, WI
 
The Rhineland is mostly Gothic churches with great windows allowing sufficient light unless the weather is overcast. Even the Romanesque churches, such as Speyer Dom, have sufficient illumination during daylight hours. After 35 years shooting the churches with Daylight transparency film, I still shoot with Daylight light balance, letting the occasional artificial lighting inside fall where it may. RAW is a great addition.
A small travel tripod is handy although there is always a pillar or pew to steady slow exposures. Avoiding the inevitable wandering fellow tourists has always been the greater challenge.
Gute Reise!

Katherinenkirche, Lübeck
Katherinenkirche, Lübeck...
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Nov 27, 2014 12:07:10   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
Kishka wrote:
The Rhineland is mostly Gothic churches with great windows allowing sufficient light unless the weather is overcast. Even the Romanesque churches, such as Speyer Dom, have sufficient illumination during daylight hours. After 35 years shooting the churches with Daylight transparency film, I still shoot with Daylight light balance, letting the occasional artificial lighting inside fall where it may. RAW is a great addition.
A small travel tripod is handy although there is always a pillar or pew to steady slow exposures. Avoiding the inevitable wandering fellow tourists has always been the greater challenge.


Gute Reise!
The Rhineland is mostly Gothic churches with great... (show quote)


Beautiful, ornate set of pipes!

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Nov 27, 2014 12:29:52   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
mikedent wrote:
Hi all- next week we're going on a Rhine river cruise in Germany and will be seeing lots of old museums and churches. These generally are fairly dark inside, no flash allowed. Lighting a mix of natural thru stained glass windows, candles, some light bulbs. I know I'll need to crank up ISO (D7100) but what would be a good all-round white balance setting? We will be with tour walking groups so I can't stop for custom setting. Use Auto or Incandescent or what? Thanks for your help. Happy Thanksgiving!
Hi all- next week we're going on a Rhine river cru... (show quote)


I don't really worry about WB when taking a photo. I adjust for it in PP.
--Bob

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