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Nov 12, 2014 19:49:08   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
imagemeister wrote:
Sony is the future ....


Meister, are you talking about Sony Beta, or Sony cameras ?! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Nov 12, 2014 20:28:25   #
NormanHarley Loc: Colorado
 
mrcando wrote:
Hi, my name is Phil and although I have always enjoyed photography, I find that only now that I have retired am I starting to really get the bug to pursue it as a serious hobby.

That said, and realizing all camera makers tend to do this, I am looking at springing for the Nikon DX 3300, in large part because it appears to have a better sensor than the comparable entry level Canon. I also see that Nikon doesn't sell just the body for this camera in the U.S. which means I'll be stuck with the kit lens. I was hoping some of you out there might then recommend a good "walk-around" lens to accompany the kit lens.

All suggestions and comments are much appreciated as I know I've got a lot to learn.
Hi, my name is Phil and although I have always enj... (show quote)

I recently got back into photography after many years of being away. I wanted an inexpensive camera that would not break my budget and I looked into the kits with lenses. I finally found a Nikon D3200 with two Nikon zooms, 18-55 and a 55-200 from Cameta Camera. They had so many kits to choose from, but I found the one that fit my needs with a flash, tripod and extra battery etc. I know these zooms are not top of the line Nikon lenses, but I have been getting fantastic amateur shots with them. Good luck with whatever toy you decide on!

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Nov 12, 2014 20:38:05   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
Hear ye, hear ye. So true. Canon has the most options and also has the most very high end lenses, like the 50/1.2, 85/1.2, 200/2.0. Look at how many 16-35 or 70-200 options that the have. The glass is what makes your picture look good or great and Canon offers the most good to great glass. The new 7DII has generated more excitement, for good reason, than any other camera that I can remember, except maybe the Sony full frames.

SharpShooter wrote:
CanDo, welcome to the Hog.
I'll give you my take on that. There is a reason that there are more Canon shooters(but it's less than 2:1). Canon is an exciting company, just look at the new 7dll that was just released two weeks ago!
Canon has a lot going for it. I would caution picking a complete system based on the least expensive entry level product put out by any company, unless it's the last camera you ever plan to own.
Going to Canon is to go into a system that is more complete. From cameras to lenses to printers to the paper that will hang on your wall. And it all works seamlessly together.
Pros use Canon for the diversified line of lenses they can use. In the 50mm line alone you can use one of 4 lenses, ranging from f 1.0 to an inexpensive f 1.8. No other company even HAS the first two in an auto-focus lens.
There is a lot to a company beyond the entry level. Don't sell yourself short.
There IS a reason that Canon is the #1 camera company in the world. What do YOU think got them there?
Again, welcome and good luck. :thumbup:
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Nov 12, 2014 21:14:28   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Welcome to UHH. You'll like the D3300 and I would recommend a Nikon 18-200 f/3.5 for a walk-around lens. I think you'd really like the combination. Talk to B&H and see what thy can do for you. Good luck.
mrcando wrote:
Hi, my name is Phil and although I have always enjoyed photography, I find that only now that I have retired am I starting to really get the bug to pursue it as a serious hobby.

I bought a Canon Rebel Xt about 8 yrs. ago and now want to upgrade to a new or newer camera. Since I don't have much invested in my current gear, (the only lens I bought with the camera was a Canon 17-85mm EF-S 1:4-5.6 IS USM Ultrasonic). Turns out, this lens is famous for developing a "focus hopping" problem rendering it virtually useless unless you want to keep it as an expensive 17mm prime lens. I'm not crazy about plunking over a couple hundred bucks for a repair that everyone agrees Canon should fix for free in a recall. That said, and realizing all camera makers tend to do this, I am looking at springing for the Nikon DX 3300, in large part because it appears to have a better sensor than the comparable entry level Canon. I also see that Nikon doesn't sell just the body for this camera in the U.S. which means I'll be stuck with the kit lens. I was hoping some of you out there might then recommend a good "walk-around" lens to accompany the kit lens.

All suggestions and comments are much appreciated as I know I've got a lot to learn.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:36:19   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Meister, are you talking about Sony Beta, or Sony cameras ?! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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BETA beat VHS hands down, it was even better than SVHS but the public didn't think quality was something to be sought, pretty much like their reaction to Sony cameras now. :) :) :)

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Nov 12, 2014 22:46:44   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Carl 383 wrote:
BETA beat VHS hands down, it was even better than SVHS but the public didn't think quality was something to be sought, pretty much like their reaction to Sony cameras now. :) :) :)


Carl, calm down Bloke! :lol:
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Nov 13, 2014 14:01:28   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Carl, calm down Bloke! :lol:
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Lol, I'm a Scouser (someone from Liverpool) and that is a highly quoted saying from a comedy program in which actors with curly wig and large moustaches would chirp, "Calm down, calm down," said in a mildly insulting but amusing Scouse accent.

Yes Sony has made a number of ill advised business mistakes in the past but no one can say they are not innovative. Their SLT cameras are a case in point. I'll let you decide whether ill advised or innovative :)

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Nov 20, 2014 13:39:13   #
mrcando Loc: Tennessee
 
speters wrote:
It does not matter what brand you're buying, no one will force you, to buy it with a kit lens, you can always buy the body alone. The Nikon you mentioned is a very fine camera and a good choice, you should be happy with it, but if you're just getting your feet wet, the camera you already own, is no slouch either. If you have a problem with that lens, that can't be solved, maybe just buy another lens.


Well actually, apparently you can't buy the D3300 body by itself in the U.S. If you have a reputable source, I'd be interested in knowing about it. I've seen the 3300 body only on some websites, like AJRichie.com but I'm leary about it

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Nov 20, 2014 17:11:43   #
mrcando Loc: Tennessee
 
SharpShooter wrote:
CanDo, welcome to the Hog.
I'll give you my take on that. There is a reason that there are more Canon shooters(but it's less than 2:1). Canon is an exciting company, just look at the new 7dll that was just released two weeks ago!
Canon has a lot going for it. I would caution picking a complete system based on the least expensive entry level product put out by any company, unless it's the last camera you ever plan to own.
Going to Canon is to go into a system that is more complete. From cameras to lenses to printers to the paper that will hang on your wall. And it all works seamlessly together.
Pros use Canon for the diversified line of lenses they can use. In the 50mm line alone you can use one of 4 lenses, ranging from f 1.0 to an inexpensive f 1.8. No other company even HAS the first two in an auto-focus lens.
There is a lot to a company beyond the entry level. Don't sell yourself short.
There IS a reason that Canon is the #1 camera company in the world. What do YOU think got them there?
Again, welcome and good luck. :thumbup:
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CanDo, welcome to the Hog. br I'll give you my ta... (show quote)


Although I can probably afford a more expensive camera than entry level, I purposely want a camera with fewer, not more bells and whistles. I want to upgrade because technology has definitely improved since my last camera was purchased. From everything I've read, currently Nikon has the edge on sensor improvement over Canon. This may in fact BE the last camera I buy for the foreseeable future. I want to start out with very good glass so that if and when I do trade up my camera, I'll still have high quality glass to use with it. And I still have a bad taste in my mouth over that 17-85 lens that went bad on me. I appreciate so much all the feedback you guys have provided since I have returned to the forum.

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Nov 21, 2014 07:33:27   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
mrcando wrote:
Although I can probably afford a more expensive camera than entry level, I purposely want a camera with fewer, not more bells and whistles. I want to upgrade because technology has definitely improved since my last camera was purchased. From everything I've read, currently Nikon has the edge on sensor improvement over Canon. This may in fact BE the last camera I buy for the foreseeable future. I want to start out with very good glass so that if and when I do trade up my camera, I'll still have high quality glass to use with it. And I still have a bad taste in my mouth over that 17-85 lens that went bad on me. I appreciate so much all the feedback you guys have provided since I have returned to the forum.
Although I can probably afford a more expensive ca... (show quote)


Remember that a camera is more than a sensor. It is a system in which the sensor is an important but not the most important part.

The most important part is usually the lens. After that it depends on what you want to shoot. If it is landscapes and studio portraits, it might be the sensor. If it is action, events, small moving grandchildren or wildlife, it is probably the focusing technology.

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Nov 21, 2014 09:35:24   #
mrcando Loc: Tennessee
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Remember that a camera is more than a sensor. It is a system in which the sensor is an important but not the most important part.

The most important part is usually the lens. After that it depends on what you want to shoot. If it is landscapes and studio portraits, it might be the sensor. If it is action, events, small moving grandchildren or wildlife, it is probably the focusing technology.


My interests are definitely landscapes, studio portraits, city architecture- none of which has much, if any movement involved. Fast focusing glass would be a low priority for me. Auto focus is nice of course, but I wouldn't mind finding a high quality manual lens to use as long as I have good eyesight (I'll be 68 this Jan.)

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Nov 21, 2014 09:54:02   #
mrcando Loc: Tennessee
 
Thanks for the words of encouragement, David. I see from your stats that you own a D810. My sister-in-law in Houston who is a great amateur photographer, just purchased a D810 from B&H and is absolutely crazy about it. She is partly responsible for convincing me to look at Nikon. Is it your understanding that Nikon doesn't offer the 3300 body by itself? I believe Nikon sells it in Europe that way but not here. Anyway, I agree that the 18-200, 3.5 would make the best walk around lens.

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Nov 21, 2014 10:14:19   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
mrcando wrote:
My interests are definitely landscapes, studio portraits, city architecture- none of which has much, if any movement involved. Fast focusing glass would be a low priority for me. Auto focus is nice of course, but I wouldn't mind finding a high quality manual lens to use as long as I have good eyesight (I'll be 68 this Jan.)


You will still want a fast lens(as in large aperture lens, has nothing to do with how fast it focuses) for depth of field, esp. with portraits. You should be happy with either Canon or Nikon for your uses. In your initial post you mentioned wildlife, which I take it is not really a priority for you. If it were I would push more for one of the Canons designed with action in mind.

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Nov 22, 2014 01:27:29   #
mrcando Loc: Tennessee
 
dsmeltz wrote:
You will still want a fast lens(as in large aperture lens, has nothing to do with how fast it focuses) for depth of field, esp. with portraits. You should be happy with either Canon or Nikon for your uses. In your initial post you mentioned wildlife, which I take it is not really a priority for you. If it were I would push more for one of the Canons designed with action in mind.


I do understand that a fast lens means large aperture and I definitely want to be able to take shots that place the background slightly out of focus. I think they call that "bokeh". But when I said a 'fast focusing lens' is not that important to me, I meant that I have heard some people complain that some lenses focus too slowly for their taste. Since i won't be shooting any action shots, slow focus is just fine for me, (I'm sorry I don't remember saying that wildlife is one of my interests). Anyway, I want to take some time to process all the good suggestions you and all the others have provided me.

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