CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Sorry...but LOW LIGHT PERFORMANCE of the 7DmkII is INFERIOR to the Nikon D7100, and EQUAL to the Sony A77mkII.

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II-versus-Sony-SLT-Alpha-77-II-versus-Nikon-D7100___977_953_865

And if you think that Canon is the only company that sells lenses then you don't know cameras.

Both Sony AND Nikon offer PLENTY of lenses in every focal length and price range; the fact that Canon sells 4 or 5 lenses for a given focal length is immaterial... ESPECIALLY considering the fact that SOME of those Canon lenses are 20+ year old designs. (If you want to throw in old tech, Sony took over Minolta, and ALL the A mount Minoltas can be used on the A77mkII. There are well over 100 different models available used, and Minolta Glass is EVERY BIT AS GOOD as Canon glass... ;) )

Canon has done a REALLY good job of hyping this camera.... but it's performance is NOT as good as the performance of models that cost MUCH LESS. :(

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

It is pretty clear that the concept of a designed system being greater than the sum of its parts somehow escapes you. The flow of AMAZING 7DII shots is clearly putting the lie to your jealousy driven comments. I am going back to ignoring you myopic-stuck-in-a-box thought process

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

I find it interesting your hang up on sensors. If you review MTF charts Canon L lenses far out perform equal Nikon lenses in general. I guess your DXMark sensor can get a real good Mr. Magoo image from the low resolution and contrast lenses put in front of it. I think if the sensor is really inferior it still will produce a far superior image quality because the edge to edge quality of canon L glass blows the doors off Nikon. Just compare the 70-200 f2.8 of each and look at the horrible eresolution falloff of the Nikon compared to Canon. Thank you I will live with "Crappy" sensors and have far superior glass and lens technology.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

It's pretty clear that since you are a "Canon can do no wrong" myopic fanboy, ALL criticism about your favorite company escapes you.

Cool. It's America after all. Everyone has a right to be close minded and ignorant.

You just go ahead and continue to exercise your rights; have a good day. :roll:

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Are we comparing the same numbers? The DxOMark scores you linked show the 7DII beats the Sony in low-light tests and both fall short of the 7100. The overall scores are different and show the Sony ahead of the Canon. I can't comment on performance, only the low-light/sports scores.
Agree Canon has advertised this camera a lot, but I think with the size and budget of the company, it is no surprise.
I agree that there are older Nikon models with better low-light/sports scores according to DxOMark. Even the entry level 3300 scores higher, as do some of the older Pentax models in this category.
I am not proficient in shooting sports, but am definitely learning
some of the pitfalls of shooting in low light indoor venues. I would love to see and read about some real-life experiences using the II in these situations and what advantage (if any) the new 65 point AF system has. That said, I am of the opinion that conventional (if that is the right word) DSLR's would be my choice for indoor low-light sports venues until the mirrorless with EVF evolve a little more, which I am sure they will. I like Sony innovation, I like Nikon for the user friendly and practical features of their cameras, I like Canon for the outstanding lenses they build.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

1013 compared to 1082. A fraction of a stop. For all intents and purposes, the Sony and Canon are equal and as I said, both are inferior to the Nikon.

And the 79 point phase detection AF system used by the Sony has 15 cross points in the center of the frame compared to the Canon which has 65 cross type points. The Sony system is lightning fast... so fast that the company initially claimed it was the fastest of any camera available. They have since stopped making that claim, but that doesn't mean that the camera isn't still one of the fastest in the industry. ;)

I should add that Sony will be releasing a firmware update next month that will increase low light AF speed 2.5 times!

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/info2/20141120.html

THAT... will make it an even MORE formidable Sports Camera than it already is. ;)

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Always said Sony is going for #1. This is getting interesting. Now we need to see some of that energy devoted to some lenses! lol Thanks for update.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

^^^I think most people forget that Sony acquired Minolta... historically one of the top 2 or 3 camera manufacturers in Japan and one of the top3 lens makers in the world.

Sony basically re-badged Minolta gear for the first 5 years of their foray into DSLR marketing. The first TRUELY original Sony project was when they developed their SLT line of cameras based on abandoned Canon pellicle mirror technology. But remember; Sony was an early player in digital imaging and 2 things give the company an edge; their Sensors and their STRONG domination of professional (and consumer) video markets.

Now they have taken a lead in the development of the mirrorless segment and are even developing interchangeable lens clip-on cameras for smart phones!

Visionary to say the least....

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Cholly, that's funny.
Sony bought Minolta, now they have 5% share.
Maybe they can manage to acquire Photojojo!!!!
That will actually give them clout and might propel them to 10%!
That's if Photojojo doesn't acquire Sony FIRST!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
SS

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Great post, and I indeed did chuckle!

RDBDDS Loc: Eatonton, GA

I looked at the first review and its decision on the 7D Mark II was that for a sports photography camera there was no need to look any further than the 7Dii. So for me it is the best especially with a couple of Canon L lenses.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Yeah, well they say you squids have a strange sense of humor. :roll:

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

You and them jokes!

Har, har, Hardy HAR-HAR. :hunf:

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

It was indeed funny! :lol: :thumbup:

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Just saw ad for new Sony a7II. Very interesting. It was advertised as not available in the U.S. Kind of wierd, but the upgrades in focus tracking may cause a bit of a stir. Can't wait for reviews.