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Nov 19, 2014 07:44:45   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
LFingar wrote:
Unless someone has the engineering and design experience to properly assess what they find, the resulting opinions will be just that: opinions. Uninformed opinions. Most likely, biased uninformed opinions.


And you have a problem with that! :wink:

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Nov 19, 2014 07:48:15   #
KarenKaptures Loc: New Jersey
 
I'll do this as soon as soon as I climb Mt. Everest since you and the other tech guys won't share your findings. :-D

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Nov 19, 2014 07:48:37   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
dsmeltz wrote:
And you have a problem with that! :wink:


Nope! The rest of you people are entitled to all the biased, uninformed opinions you want! :-D :-D

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Nov 19, 2014 07:53:24   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
wayne-03 wrote:
I would think that there is very little difference in build quality between comparable models of each camera. I would think that the differences are going to be in the programming and how each company accomplishes certain task. One way that Canon and Nikon differ is how they address exposure compensation in the aperture priority (AV) and shutter speed priority (TV) modes. On a Nikon DSLR when you dial in exposure compensation in these two modes it affects both shutter speed and aperture because they are tied together on a Nikon. On a Canon DSLR in these two modes the shutter speed and aperture are separated. If you are in aperture priority (AV) on a Canon DSLR and dial in exposure compensation only your shutter speed is affected, your aperture remains constant. If you are in shutter speed priority (TV) on a Canon DSLR and dial in exposure compensation only your aperture is affected, your shutter speed remains constant.
I would think that there is very little difference... (show quote)

So you are saying (in the end) that Canon does exactly the same thing that Nikon does! Why claim first that they are different?

With Nikon of course, just as with Canon, Exposure Compensation only changes the reading from the light meter. Nothing else. It is a "bias" or "calibration" of the light meter. Anything that is affected by the how much light the light meter reads is affected.

If the camera is in Aperture Priority, the light meter does not affect the aperture setting. If the camera is in Shutter Priority, the light meter does not affect the shutter speed. The light meter affects neither if it is in Manual Exposure and affects either if it is in Program mode. If Auto ISO is enabled it affects ISO, but not when that is disabled.

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Nov 19, 2014 07:54:07   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Digicamkay wrote:
I'll do this as soon as soon as I climb Mt. Everest since you and the other tech guys won't share your findings. :-D


Send pictures. I hear the view is awesome. :wink:

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Nov 19, 2014 08:11:34   #
WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
davefales wrote:
Today I learned something new. Thanks.


I did as well. I like the Canon separation of compensation.

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Nov 19, 2014 08:16:05   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
LFingar wrote:
Unless someone has the engineering and design experience to properly assess what they find, the resulting opinions will be just that: opinions. Uninformed opinions. Most likely, biased uninformed opinions.

You sound like you're biased against those of us who have no expertise in electronics. Isn't everyone's opinion equally valid? :D

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Nov 19, 2014 08:19:19   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
I have determined after long and deep study that there are two types of people in the world, two tribes as it were: Canon people and Nikon people. The difference must rest in the DNA of each type. I guess we'd have to disassemble a significant sample of each to determine the basis of the difference, how long-lasting it will be, and how significant the difference. We would need volunteers for the project. Unfortunately there would be problems putting the volunteers back together into working, functioning units.

:lol: :lol:

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Nov 19, 2014 08:21:03   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
revhen wrote:
I have determined after long and deep study that there are two types of people in the world, two tribes as it were: Canon people and Nikon people. The difference must rest in the DNA of each type. I guess we'd have to disassemble a significant sample of each to determine the basis of the difference, how long-lasting it will be, and how significant the difference. We would need volunteers for the project. Unfortunately there would be problems putting the volunteers back together into working, functioning units.

:lol: :lol:
I have determined after long and deep study that t... (show quote)


I tried that. The clean up is a real pain. Putting them back together; impossible!

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Nov 19, 2014 08:25:13   #
HarryBinNC Loc: Blue Ridge Mtns, No.Carolina, USA
 
wayne-03 wrote:
"One way that Canon and Nikon differ is how they address exposure compensation in the aperture priority (AV) and shutter speed priority (TV) modes. On a Nikon DSLR when you dial in exposure compensation in these two modes it affects both shutter speed and aperture because they are tied together on a Nikon. On a Canon DSLR in these two modes the shutter speed and aperture are separated. If you are in aperture priority (AV) on a Canon DSLR and dial in exposure compensation only your shutter speed is affected, your aperture remains constant. If you are in shutter speed priority (TV) on a Canon DSLR and dial in exposure compensation only your aperture is affected, your shutter speed remains constant."
"One way that Canon and Nikon differ is how ... (show quote)


davefales wrote:
Today I learned something new. Thanks.


What you should have learned, Dave, is that you shouldn't believe everything you read in internet forums - Wayne is dead wrong about his understanding of how Nikon DSLR exposure compensation works - I have owned and used 4 Nikon DSLRs extensively, and still have the first and last (D70 and D800), and can assure you that Nikons behave exactly as the Canons regarding exposure compensation - whether in Aperture/Shutter priority or P(rogram) modes. That behavior is standard for all cameras that support PASM mode settings.

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Nov 19, 2014 08:34:22   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You sound like you're biased against those of us who have no expertise in electronics. Isn't everyone's opinion equally valid? :D


Nope! Anyway, Best Buy opens in less then 30 min and I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting to see the photos of your test! Quit wasting your time on the computer. Grab your plastic and get going! :-D

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Nov 19, 2014 08:40:28   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
WereWolf1967 wrote:
I did as well. I like the Canon separation of compensation.

The "Canon separation" is the same as the "Nikon separation".

There is a way that Canon and Nikon do differ with Exposure Compensation though. With a Canon EC cannot be set while in Manual Exposure mode. Hence if Auto ISO is enabled in Manual Exposure mode the only way to change Exposure Compensation is to first switch to a different exposure mode, then set the desired EC, and the switch back to Manual Exposure.

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Nov 19, 2014 08:41:29   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
really? I wish I were a mod.

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Nov 19, 2014 08:44:26   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
Very well written ZS. When a few photographer took The Canon F1 to Vietnam and few fell out of Hughes chopper at near one hundred feet and picked it up and it still worked tells me it's a well made camera and from that Canon still does build superior cameras!





Zone-System-Grandpa wrote:
Yes, questions asked about which is best between Canon and Nikon have been asked way, way too often and way, way too many times, yet has anyone ever torn apart a Canon or a Nikon of equal value and really looked over the guts inside both camera bodies ?

As for Canon, you might want to start with a typical EOS body often sold in Mom & Pop discount stores such as Walmart or Best Buy. Then, pick out a Nikon body of equal quality and equal value..

You may be surprised as to which one has the sturdiest parts within and which one has proved to have the longest lasting shutter mechanisms over the years.

If you have never ventured inside either, plan to do so sometime ! You may be very surprised when you see which brand has a more solid construction !!!

I will not reveal my findings nor findings from repair shop techs I know, but if you check them out for yourself, you will, then, become a believer as to which brand puts their money in engineering as they have put their money from their advertising mouths :)

Oh, before the bashing upon this writer begins, why not check out two equal value cameras from both companies for yourself ! Yes, you will be surprised and don't forget to check out the wiring and the motherboards too and see if you can determine which brand has higher quality, heavier duty integral routings. AND, for what it is worth, I own both brands of cameras ~ those of the past and those made today.. Hint: You may even dive into a couple of film cameras so as to get a head start with the process because not much has changed in their individual qualities provided even today. IMHO, both are well made cameras, but can you find which one may be better ?

This guy will sign off for now because it's way too early in the day for him to begin taking the heat, although, you may want to exchange your findings with our other UHH members :idea: :thumbup:
Yes, questions asked about which is best between C... (show quote)

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Nov 19, 2014 08:46:13   #
RKL349 Loc: Connecticut
 
Zone-System-Grandpa wrote:
Yes, questions asked about which is best between Canon and Nikon have been asked way, way too often and way, way too many times, yet has anyone ever torn apart a Canon or a Nikon of equal value and really looked over the guts inside both camera bodies ?

As for Canon, you might want to start with a typical EOS body often sold in Mom & Pop discount stores such as Walmart or Best Buy. Then, pick out a Nikon body of equal quality and equal value..

You may be surprised as to which one has the sturdiest parts within and which one has proved to have the longest lasting shutter mechanisms over the years.

If you have never ventured inside either, plan to do so sometime ! You may be very surprised when you see which brand has a more solid construction !!!

I will not reveal my findings nor findings from repair shop techs I know, but if you check them out for yourself, you will, then, become a believer as to which brand puts their money in engineering as they have put their money from their advertising mouths :)

Oh, before the bashing upon this writer begins, why not check out two equal value cameras from both companies for yourself ! Yes, you will be surprised and don't forget to check out the wiring and the motherboards too and see if you can determine which brand has higher quality, heavier duty integral routings. AND, for what it is worth, I own both brands of cameras ~ those of the past and those made today.. Hint: You may even dive into a couple of film cameras so as to get a head start with the process because not much has changed in their individual qualities provided even today. IMHO, both are well made cameras, but can you find which one may be better ?

This guy will sign off for now because it's way too early in the day for him to begin taking the heat, although, you may want to exchange your findings with our other UHH members :idea: :thumbup:
Yes, questions asked about which is best between C... (show quote)


Just another way to perpetuate the ongoing Nikon v. Canon argument. I really do not care what anyone shoots or the endless arguments of why their brand is better. I only care that they enjoy the hobby and find a way to improve and personally benefit from the fruits of their labors.

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