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Nov 17, 2014 12:16:54   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
jackpi wrote:
Your lenses are smaller because they are lenses for a camera with a m4/3 focal plane. All other things being equal, lens size is directly correlated with the size of the camera's focal plane. The smaller the focal plane, the smaller the equivalent lens. It has nothing to do with the camera being a mirrorless camera. If you want a quality camera system with the lowest weight, you should buy a m4/3 system, not a system that has a larger focal plane. There are several quality m4/3 systems available.
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Read my signature line...I think I know a thing or two about m4/3
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Nov 17, 2014 13:36:37   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
jackpi wrote:
Your lenses are smaller because they are lenses for a camera with a m4/3 focal plane. All other things being equal, lens size is directly correlated with the size of the camera's focal plane. The smaller the focal plane, the smaller the equivalent lens. It has nothing to do with the camera being a mirrorless camera. If you want a quality camera system with the lowest weight, you should buy a m4/3 system, not a system that has a larger focal plane. There are several quality m4/3 systems available.
Your lenses are smaller because they are lenses fo... (show quote)


I know that I enter dangerous ground when I assume things, but from your description am I safe to assume that when you say "focal plane" you mean "sensor size"?

If that's the case, I beg to differ, lens size is NOT directly correlated to the camera's sensor!!!!
The 4/3 camera uses exactly the same size sensor as the M4/3 camera.
Have you ever picked up a 4/3 camera and M4/3 camera at the same time, one in each hand?

Take the previous Olympus "flagship" and the current one,
Camera body only, the E-5 is 800 grams or 28.22 oz, the OM-D E-M1 weighs 497 grams or 17.5 oz - that's a whopping 303 grams or 10.72 oz difference.

I'm "picking" on one lens comparison only: 75-300mm M4/3 weighs 423 grams (15.1 oz). 70-300 4/3 weighs 630 grams (22.14 oz). That's almost 200 grams or 7 oz difference.

So yes, I agree that the Olympus M4/3 system is an excellent camera with the lowest weight, however, the Olympus 4/3 system, with exactly the same size sensor has a much heavier camera body and heavier, comparable lenses!

And I can take excellent quality photos with the M4/3 camera and lenses. As good as, if not better than with a 4/3 system.

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Nov 17, 2014 13:45:35   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
JCGammack wrote:
No they aren't and never will. Each has it's key advantages and weak points. If you want the best of both worlds, invest in both worlds.

Advantage Mirrorless- Size is smaller, Lighter.
Advantage DSLR- Faster , Lens and system flexibility and availability.

This annalists does not include personal preferences or prejudice. Those arguments will go on forever.


Ultimately, I think they will overtake DSLR. As EVF tech improves, the advantages of lighter full frame mirrorless cameras will just make the choice no-brainer. Just as digital took over from film. the DSLR advantages you site are all based on current product availability. There is no technological or economic reason that mirrorless lenses cannot or will not be produced that rival or exceed what is currently available for DSLR.

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Nov 18, 2014 09:56:33   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
JCGammack wrote:
No they aren't and never will.


Famous last words, I'm afraid...

About five years ago, one of my sons suggested that in the foreseeable future landlines would not be used for home-to-home phone service.
He was laughed at by his three brothers.
Well, guess what... Those three now have cell-phone only, they have discontinued their landlines.
And the one that made that suggestion, would like to give up his landline as well but lives out in the boonies where there is no cell-service.

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Nov 18, 2014 10:14:07   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Ultimately, I think they will overtake DSLR. As EVF tech improves, the advantages of lighter full frame mirrorless cameras will just make the choice no-brainer. Just as digital took over from film. the DSLR advantages you site are all based on current product availability. There is no technological or economic reason that mirrorless lenses cannot or will not be produced that rival or exceed what is currently available for DSLR.

And you can produce full-function adapters. Right now there aren't very many of them, and they cost real money, but what is true today doesn't determine what will be true next year at this time.

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Nov 18, 2014 10:21:22   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Yes, additional lens would be great for mirrorless.
But you can use all kinds of glass with these camera's.
I have a metabones adaptor for my Sony ($139) and it
works perfectly with my legacy Nikon lens. The fit to the
adaptor is perfect like it was part of the camera.
Yes these adaptors are all manual. I believe their are
some that have some communication Canon lenses.
Zeiss, Mitacon, voightlander all kinds of exotic and quality
lens brands only require an adaptor but work with your
mirrorless. Brian Smith well known photographer has a
great breakdown/review of all the lens you can use on his site.

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Nov 18, 2014 10:26:50   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
jackpi wrote:
Your lenses are smaller because they are lenses for a camera with a m4/3 focal plane. All other things being equal, lens size is directly correlated with the size of the camera's focal plane. The smaller the focal plane, the smaller the equivalent lens. It has nothing to do with the camera being a mirrorless camera. If you want a quality camera system with the lowest weight, you should buy a m4/3 system, not a system that has a larger focal plane. There are several quality m4/3 systems available.
Your lenses are smaller because they are lenses fo... (show quote)


All other things, however, are not equal. With no mirror mechanisims in the way, you can bring the lens closer to the sensor. I believe this means you can construct smaller, lighter, more efficienct and, ultimately, less expensive lenses.

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Nov 18, 2014 10:49:05   #
PHW Loc: Madison, WI
 
Morning Star wrote:
Famous last words, I'm afraid...

About five years ago, one of my sons suggested that in the foreseeable future landlines would not be used for home-to-home phone service.
He was laughed at by his three brothers.
Well, guess what... Those three now have cell-phone only, they have discontinued their landlines.
And the one that made that suggestion, would like to give up his landline as well but lives out in the boonies where there is no cell-service.


Do they have docking stations that make them as convenient as landlines?

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Nov 18, 2014 10:55:20   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I am considering picking up the Sony A5000 with the kit 16--50 power zoom lens and the 55-210 zoom lens. Costco currently has it on special for $449.00, and that includes a case and a 16gb SD card. I know, the 5000 doesn't have an EVF, but I can live with that. My question about the camera is, how sturdy and reliable is it. I have limited experience with Sony cameras, so I don't know if they stand up well to rugged use. Are they long lasting, etc. Before I put down my money I'd appreiate some input here. Thanks.

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Nov 18, 2014 11:01:58   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
PHW wrote:
Do they have docking stations that make them as convenient as landlines?


I use this which allows me to use my standard land line phone:

Sprint phone connect 3
http://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/shop/phone_details.jsp?prodId=dvc8360001prd&deviceSKUId=84000014&flow=AAL&planSKUId=&ptn=&tabId=dvcTab1820005&defaultContractTerm=

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Nov 18, 2014 11:18:47   #
PHW Loc: Madison, WI
 


This looks great!

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Nov 18, 2014 11:23:04   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
PHW wrote:
Do they have docking stations that make them as convenient as landlines?


Where? In their back pockets?
The only time that cellphone isn't in their pocket is while they're sleeping and the phone's battery is charging.

No, they don't. At least, I've never seen one in their homes.

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Nov 18, 2014 11:28:31   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
PHW wrote:
This looks great!


Works great too...We bought into it, right before we built a house. We were able to easily transfer our existing land line number to sprint, then take the base station with us to our temporary home (4 months) then to our new house. And we still have the same number. $20 a month plus $4 in taxes beat the $35+ we were spending on a landline with out long distance. Now, long distance is included.

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Nov 18, 2014 12:16:42   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Far North wrote:
I am considering picking up the Sony A5000 with the kit 16--50 power zoom lens and the 55-210 zoom lens. Costco currently has it on special for $449.00, and that includes a case and a 16gb SD card. I know, the 5000 doesn't have an EVF, but I can live with that. My question about the camera is, how sturdy and reliable is it. I have limited experience with Sony cameras, so I don't know if they stand up well to rugged use. Are they long lasting, etc. Before I put down my money I'd appreiate some input here. Thanks.
I am considering picking up the Sony A5000 with th... (show quote)


Have you ever used a camera without an EVF? I have Sony products and they are great, but I would not buy a camera again without an EVF. (I had a Nikon coolpix that I gave up on!) It is too hard to utilize the camera in the sun when looking at the screen, your arms get tired, and you will miss opportunities. But hey, do what you think is right. As far as Sony goes, the build is great, the images are sharp, and the colors are brilliant.

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Nov 18, 2014 12:22:26   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
azted wrote:
Have you ever used a camera without an EVF? I have Sony products and they are great, but I would not buy a camera again without an EVF. (I had a Nikon coolpix that I gave up on!) It is too hard to utilize the camera in the sun when looking at the screen, your arms get tired, and you will miss opportunities. But hey, do what you think is right. As far as Sony goes, the build is great, the images are sharp, and the colors are brilliant.


Thanks. The unfortunate thing is, I really want the A6000, but it's just beyond my budget. I may have to look in a different direction. But then again..........for the price, it just may be worth it. Still thinking.

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