Compare D400 & 7D Mark ll (Page 4): Then get a Nikon. Then take those far suprior photos you can only dream of as a Canon user. :lol:...

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

sirlensalot wrote:

Thanks. I guess we don't have much of a choice in ... (show quote)

Then get a Nikon. Then take those far suprior photos you can only dream of as a Canon user. :lol:

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

sirlensalot wrote:

<snip> I find it not only disheartening but disgraceful that Canon advertises this as their "flagship".
<snip>.

Where do they say that??? I think I have seen it referred to as their "flagship APS-C" but not their main flagship product. I think that is still the 1D.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

dsmeltz wrote:

You have a faulty review process. Please look at some of the earlier links that explain what the 7DII can do in the real world. It is not designed as a studio camera. DxO is very uesful for choosing a camera for studio settings where things like low-light high-ISO and focus tracking are not important. The 7DII is designed for sports and wildlife shot outside of a studio.

First, I don't have any review process. I just read about others that do testing and hands-on reviews. Some are shills for the company, some are not. It is up to each of us to try to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I am curious as how you analyze DxO as being better at testing and reviewing one aspect of a camera over another. Love to see any data that supports your opinion.
I am not understanding your statement that the MKII is a sports camera, not a studio camera? The DxO score for ISO/sports falls short of competitors by a bunch. Unless you only do outdoor sports this is by far no sports camera, although I would agree it probably does pretty good for sports with lots of light.
Also disagree about wildlife where low-light/high ISO is a much desired feature.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

sirlensalot wrote:

<snip>I am curious as how you analyze DxO as being better at testing and reviewing one aspect of a camera over another. Love to see any data that supports your opinion.
<snip>.

DUH!!!

Try there own site where they same that what they are comparing are camera sensors and or camera lenses. Show one place where they claim to be comparing the whole camera. Come on. Just one.

I am not saying what they do is not valuable, just don't confuse what they do with a full review of a camera.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

dsmeltz wrote:

Where do they say that??? I think I have seen it referred to as their "flagship APS-C" but not their main flagship product. I think that is still the 1D.

Yes, that is correct. "Flagship" APS-C. I thought it was evident as we were talking about APS-C cameras. My error.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

dsmeltz wrote:

DUH!!!

Try there own site where they same that what they are comparing are camera sensors and or camera lenses. Show one place where they claim to be comparing the whole camera. Come on. Just one.

I am not saying what they do is not valuable, just don't confuse what they do with a full review of a camera.

I was not, apparently you were.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

sirlensalot wrote:

I was not, apparently you were.

Using a non sequitur is the equivalent of admitting you are wrong. It is noble of you to admit you were wrong.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

sirlensalot wrote:

First, I don't have any review process. I just rea... (show quote)

Have you ever actually shot a 7DII and compared it? I love Jeeps but consumer reports seems to give them low marks too. But mine last for decades, no problems and pass other jap and English crap broken down or stuck on the same trails. Reviews are interesting trivia but none are real world. Kind of like target shooting anyone is good. But on the two way rifle range is where you see the difference between hot air and the real thing.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

sirlensalot wrote:

but it certainly looks like Nikon and Sony are the clear leaders in this category.

They are!!
BUT, in how many categories are they NOT!!

H*ll, just how many categories are there?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
SS

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

dsmeltz wrote:

Using a non sequitur is the equivalent of admitting you are wrong. It is noble of you to admit you were wrong.

If changing the subject is what matters to you as a way to avoid facts, you have been successful. I applaud your effort.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

SharpShooter wrote:

They are!!
BUT, in how many categories are they NOT!!

H*ll, just how many categories are there?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
SS

I was addressing one category because it was the one I was most interested. I think there are three categories.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

sirlensalot wrote:

I was addressing one category because it was the one I was most interested. I think there are three categories.

I THINK there are at least a DOZEN !!! :-)
SS

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Architect1776 wrote:

Have you ever actually shot a 7DII and compared it? I love Jeeps but consumer reports seems to give them low marks too. But mine last for decades, no problems and pass other jap and English crap broken down or stuck on the same trails. Reviews are interesting trivia but none are real world. Kind of like target shooting anyone is good. But on the two way rifle range is where you see the difference between hot air and the real thing.

To answer your question directly, no I have not actually shot a 7D MkII, but I have compared it. My biggest interest is in low-light/high ISO photography at the moment. I would not choose this model based on sensor ratings as compared to other sensors. I don't need to buy a jeep, rifle, pistol, or camera if it does not fit my needs which I would first research based on professional and amateur reviews, opinions, and test results. If you choose to buy, try, and decide, I am happy for you.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

SharpShooter wrote:

I THINK there are at least a DOZEN !!! :-)
SS

Perhaps. I was referring to DxO Mark test categories.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

sirlensalot wrote:

Perhaps. I was referring to DxO Mark test categories.

Ahhhhh!
Sir, if your primary concern is only low-light/noise, I suggest you look at a 6d or 5lll. NO crop camera will compete with the FF cameras. Unless somehow you need the reach, crop makes no sense at all, in any company. As you well know, the 7ll is a sports machine, and low noise is the wrong reason to consider it. For those that need it, it may just be a bonus, nothing else. It brings a lot to the table, but low noise is not one of them, regardless of how good it's low noise is, it's still a crop.
It would be like having to pull a 10,000 pound trailer and insisting a small compact truck will do it. It might, but it will surely struggle in the hills.
If low light is so important to you, why set yourself up to struggle when the going gets rough?
Obviously, your main shooting is not action, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Get the right tool for the right job.
The 7dll is the right tool when focus is paramount as in sports and wildlife.
The only way to have your cake and eat it too is to go to the pro models.
The 7ll choice is VERY easy if it's the right tool for the right job. Just saying. ;-)
Saw