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Researcher shows that black holes do not exist. ?????
Nov 9, 2014 20:23:17 #
Merlin1300 wrote:
And the earth is flat, evolution is true, there is no intelligent life out there, and atomic physicists have no clue.
Really ??
RacMan - - what's the point??
Really ??
RacMan - - what's the point??
I find it kinda funny how some deny science until they need a doctor!
Nov 9, 2014 22:47:21 #
Racmanaz wrote:
http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html
As far as I know the paper has not been peer-reviewed yet. Even if positively reviewed, it will not establish that current theories about the black holes existence, only questions theories about how black holes originate.
Nov 9, 2014 23:41:43 #
wlgoode wrote:
Actually - as an MD, I am curious also - -I find it kinda funny how some deny science until they need a doctor!
Just not sure what point RacMan was trying to make ?
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Nov 10, 2014 01:26:09 #
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Racmanaz wrote:
http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html
idiotic post from the resident idiot.
Nov 10, 2014 03:13:43 #
Halleluyah! My feelings exactly...
and Yes His praise is not a typo...
just the way I have found to express His name.
and Yes His praise is not a typo...
just the way I have found to express His name.
Nov 10, 2014 03:14:58 #
Nov 11, 2014 04:33:34 #
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Nov 11, 2014 07:01:33 #
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Nov 11, 2014 09:54:21 #
magicray wrote:
Point singularity - 'infinite' mass, 'zero' volume.How can it be a mass if it is a hole?
Or taken as the limiting condition of density = mass/volume as mass tends ever larger, and volume tends ever smaller.
Tears a 'hole' in the space time continuum (as we know it).
Nov 11, 2014 09:59:10 #
My first thought, after reading the summary article, was that the researcher seems to lean heavily on the final argument that since "her mathematics are correct, therefore her conclusions must also be correct".
Reminds me of the old engineer's joke where the Volkswagen engineer states that he has figured out how to get 6 elephants into a Volkswagen ... put 3 in front and 3 in back".
One dissenting peer review expressed just that same conclusion ....
However, not everybody has jumped on board with Professor Mersini-Houghtons deductions and proclamation that black hoes do not exist. Professor William Unruh, who works as a theoretical physicist at the University of British Columbia, was quick to point out what he considers to be fatal flaws in Mersini-Houghtons argument.
Professor Unruh declared that Mersini-Houghtons paper was nonsense. He explained that such attempts to show that black holes have never formed go back a long way in history and this was only the latest. They all get the wrong idea about Hawking radiation and assume that matter reacts in ways which are totally unbelievable, he replied.
Unruh explained that black holes do not give off enough Hawking radiation to contract the black holes mass down to where Mersini-Houghton believed would be in an appropriate manner. He added that the usual behavior by individuals who do not understand Hawking radiation is to bring that outbound energy closer back to the black holes event horizon.
This is where the density of energy becomes larger. Obvious calculations of the energy density near to the horizon have shown it to be very small instead of big. Such calculations were previously done in the 1970s. However, Professor Mersini-Houghton fully believes her own claims that black holes do not exist.
http://guardianlv.com/2014/09/scientist-believes-black-holes-do-not-exist/#LdJjYyU2iF3Ofxyj.99
Reminds me of the old engineer's joke where the Volkswagen engineer states that he has figured out how to get 6 elephants into a Volkswagen ... put 3 in front and 3 in back".
One dissenting peer review expressed just that same conclusion ....
However, not everybody has jumped on board with Professor Mersini-Houghtons deductions and proclamation that black hoes do not exist. Professor William Unruh, who works as a theoretical physicist at the University of British Columbia, was quick to point out what he considers to be fatal flaws in Mersini-Houghtons argument.
Professor Unruh declared that Mersini-Houghtons paper was nonsense. He explained that such attempts to show that black holes have never formed go back a long way in history and this was only the latest. They all get the wrong idea about Hawking radiation and assume that matter reacts in ways which are totally unbelievable, he replied.
Unruh explained that black holes do not give off enough Hawking radiation to contract the black holes mass down to where Mersini-Houghton believed would be in an appropriate manner. He added that the usual behavior by individuals who do not understand Hawking radiation is to bring that outbound energy closer back to the black holes event horizon.
This is where the density of energy becomes larger. Obvious calculations of the energy density near to the horizon have shown it to be very small instead of big. Such calculations were previously done in the 1970s. However, Professor Mersini-Houghton fully believes her own claims that black holes do not exist.
http://guardianlv.com/2014/09/scientist-believes-black-holes-do-not-exist/#LdJjYyU2iF3Ofxyj.99
Nov 13, 2014 11:48:19 #
BW326 wrote:
My first thought, after reading the summary articl... (show quote)
This is where the string theorists come into play. If I were one of the stringers I would say that we cannot perceive beyond the black hole because even light is funneled into it, but beyond the black hole, and undetected by us, there is an entire universe with different dimensions.
I love your quote of your old engineers joke :D
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Nov 13, 2014 11:56:31 #
Merlin1300 wrote:
Actually - as an MD, I am curious also - -
Just not sure what point RacMan was trying to make ?
Just not sure what point RacMan was trying to make ?
RacMan is a fervid creationist who often contributes (???) to this forum with quotes trying to prove that the scientists are wrong. After all, the Earth is only 6000 years old :)
Nov 13, 2014 20:37:09 #
bunuweld wrote:
Yeah - - I've tangled with him before in conversations that would now be moved to the Attic.RacMan is a fervid creationist who often contributes (???) to this forum with quotes trying to prove that the scientists are wrong. After all, the Earth is only 6000 years old :)
His philosophical feet are embedded in concrete.
But occasionally posts a noteworthy photo.
Nov 13, 2014 21:55:00 #
Merlin1300 wrote:
Yeah - - I've tangled with him before in conversations that would now be moved to the Attic.
His philosophical feet are embedded in concrete.
But occasionally posts a noteworthy photo.
His philosophical feet are embedded in concrete.
But occasionally posts a noteworthy photo.
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