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Nov 9, 2014 13:42:26   #
ducwic Loc: Milwaukee, Wi.
 
Video Vinny wrote:
In lens researsch I read that Nikon recommends doing this with VR lenses, because if VR is active 'strange things' can happen. I haven't been doing this and have not witnessed any 'strange things' happening.

Three Qs

1. What would those strange things be?

2. Would turning the VR off, instead of the camera, accomplish the same thing?

3. The article also indicated something about activating the VR with the auto focus press of the shutter button that I couldn't fully understand. Does anyone know what that means? Thank you
In lens researsch I read that Nikon recommends doi... (show quote)


It's an electronic/ sensor/dust issue. I also face the camera downward when changing lenses. Always have, always will.
Old school???
Maybe!!
And when I'm hunting, safety is always on until I'm ready to squeeze the trigger.

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Nov 9, 2014 13:51:41   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Video Vinny wrote:
Yipes ! That's more than a spike. And I've also waited for the toast.
:D

I am now wondering it not 'turning off' may be the reason that I cannot find images on the SD card that I was positive I took?

Thanks for the story. V


^^^This is EXACTLY one of the things that can happen when you pull a memory card without turning off the camera... ESPECIALLY if it's still writing to the card. :(

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Nov 9, 2014 14:23:48   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
ducwic wrote:
It's an electronic/ sensor/dust issue. I also face the camera downward when changing lenses. Always have, always will.
Old school???
Maybe!!
And when I'm hunting, safety is always on until I'm ready to squeeze the trigger.


Whatever you hunt would rather you kept the safety on - so would I!

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Nov 9, 2014 15:19:51   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Video Vinny wrote:
In lens researsch I read that Nikon recommends doing this with VR lenses, because if VR is active 'strange things' can happen. I haven't been doing this and have not witnessed any 'strange things' happening.

Three Qs

1. What would those strange things be?

2. Would turning the VR off, instead of the camera, accomplish the same thing?

3. The article also indicated something about activating the VR with the auto focus press of the shutter button that I couldn't fully understand. Does anyone know what that means? Thank you
In lens researsch I read that Nikon recommends doi... (show quote)


My business of 23 years was installing commercial telephone systems and limited computer. The one thing I learned real quick was ALWAYS turn off ANY electronic or electrical devices when servicing them or changing something on them. Granted, they are far more forgiving today than in the past, but, all it takes is one electrical short to ruin your day.

I really don't see what the big deal is anyway, particularly for those who say they never turn their camera off. A flick of a switch and it's off and safe. Another flick and it is instantly back on. I don't see the down side to that.

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Nov 9, 2014 15:42:23   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
^^^^EXACTLY!!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 9, 2014 16:36:34   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I buy a camera or lens, turn it on, and glue the button shut! :lol:
I glue it since on occasion I accidentally have turned it off!!
Vinney, seriously, I've NEVER had a problem.

If it falls into water, I guess I'll have to chip the glue off in a hurry!! :lol: :lol:
If your a by-the-book type person, just turn it off.
I wonder what the off-button actuation limit is?!
SS


Canon have the same instruction when lens changing. For many years I was unaware of this and like Sharp Shooter never powered down for anything except card changing.
I very much doubt that professionals who shoot sports or news bother too much about this and I have never heard of a photographer who could unequivocally ascribe any damage to doing this. We went round this subject at some length in the recent past and I think there was one 'might have been' and a bunch of us who've done it and never been punished.
There's been a lot of speculation and quite a few folks have pointed out the theoretical possibilities of damage.
My strong suspicion is that all the engineers who design these things try very hard to make them idiot proof. (For obvious reasons). If forgetting to turn cameras off when swapping out cards, batteries or lenses had much risk attached to it we'd know. There would have been dire warnings posted by the unlucky victims at great length. I haven't seen a one yet!
The one place where you definitely could have a problem is with removing a card. I haven't done a poll but I bet every maker is like Canon and has a microswitch on the card door that turns off the power before you can get to the card. I would also bet that the lenses are designed so that the first contact to open as you rotate the lens to remove it is the power contact. Basic engineering common sense.
In short -
1) Yes you should power down. I do now I know about it. (If I actually remember ......)
2) It almost certainly isn't going to matter if you forget or are simply a contrarian ;-) Just try and remember next time.

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Nov 9, 2014 17:46:51   #
ducwic Loc: Milwaukee, Wi.
 
Delderby wrote:
Whatever you hunt would rather you kept the safety on - so would I!


Not to worry, you haven't seen me shoot!
It's been over 25 years since my last hunt.

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Nov 9, 2014 17:53:10   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
Facing grab shots in restricted spaces afforded no tripod setups, and so, shooting with slower transparency film, like Fuji 50, necessitated steady hands with braced elbows for 2 second exposures like the one picture here.
2 seconds of no breathing I can understand - -
but I don't understand the Zen of lowering your heart rate below 30 :shock: :shock:
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OBTW - - fab shot !
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Don't know if any difference or concerns regarding cameras that have the lens motors in the camera body vs those with motors in the lens. My cameras have the latter configuration - so less worry here about possibly 'grinding gears ? :shock:
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While the likelihood of 'voltage spikes' serious enough to do any damage in systems with 6 volt batteries is unlikely - I suppose there may be some theoretical possibility.
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And - OBTW - if your camera is hit with a good Static Electric ZAP - - won't matter if it is turned on or not. That 50KV spark can pretty much jump across most circuit board tracings in a 'flash' :-D
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Having said all that - YES - it is a good idea to turn your camera OFF when changing lenses. I probably remember about 50% of the time. Have NOT had a problem in the past 12 years from my first Canon 10D in 2003 to my current 7D.

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Nov 9, 2014 17:59:47   #
redhogbill Loc: antelope, calif
 
SonnyE wrote:
You bring something to mind. True story.
A Friend of my wife's (and me) had their house hit when the High Voltage lines fell into the secondary, lower voltage lines, which came to their home. (Northridge Earthquake, 1994)
The resulting surge blew their main panel to smithereens, and anything plugged in in the house also got the brunt of the surge.
It all got fixed, repaired, corrected.
But to this day, my wife unplugs anything not on.

Try putting your bread in the toaster and waiting... and waiting... and waiting... and the damned thing doesn't pop because, guess what?
It's unplugged! :evil:

But hey, 3 TV's and boxes are plugged in because they take too long to start up if you unplug them.
Makes perfect sense. To somebody....

(And no, I don't use an electric coffee maker. I use a gas stove to boil water, and a French Press. I'm weird like that.) :P
You bring something to mind. True story. br A Frie... (show quote)


{off topic} French press!!!!! ya brother!!!!

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Nov 9, 2014 19:08:05   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Video Vinny wrote:
In lens researsch I read that Nikon recommends doing this with VR lenses, because if VR is active 'strange things' can happen. I haven't been doing this and have not witnessed any 'strange things' happening.

Three Qs

1. What would those strange things be?

2. Would turning the VR off, instead of the camera, accomplish the same thing?

3. The article also indicated something about activating the VR with the auto focus press of the shutter button that I couldn't fully understand. Does anyone know what that means? Thank you
In lens researsch I read that Nikon recommends doi... (show quote)


It is not just Nikon, but probably all Camera manufacturers. As to what might happen specifically beyond "Damage", they don't really spell it out. But not just VR stuff. The power switch should be off for changing lenses, R & R SD / Micro-SD Card, R & R any accessory that uses power. You realize this is the same with a computer. Your PC or Mac should be turned off before doing anything in side or "removing" anything that is not ejected first. Note, loading and unloading CDs, DVDs, DC-ROMs, DVD-ROMs, and oldie Diskettes does not seem to be an issue, but thumb drives, cards, and External HDDs can be. Eject or turn computer off first to be safe.

Same with cameras and other high-tech electronics. What might happen with your Nikon camera, hard to say. You will probably get some responses and stories from some Nikon owner who have done just that.

I've forgotten a few times with my Pentaxes and nothing horrible or permanent happened, but the camera did a few times act weird for a while. R & R lens with camera on: lens and camera did not talk to or ID one another until the camera was turned off and then back on. Similar with old film manual lenses when camera not off. Insert SD card with camera on, really bad idea; but done accidentally, camera gives error message that there is no card. Might even have to R & R card before turning camera back on to clear that error. Seems errors are a bit random, but since I do it so rarely I can't really be sure of that. I had not noticed an effect on AF one way or another since I rare leave my lenses on AF.

This could have even been an issue with later film cameras with electronic contacts between camera and lens for Shutter Priority and other features. With an old Nikon F, F2, FM, Nikkormat FTN, etc, Pentax K or M cameras, no problems. Later ones or any AF models I'd have to wonder. Anyone out there know if Canon AE-1 or A-1 cameras freaked out if you did not turn the camera off before changing lenses?

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Nov 10, 2014 01:30:27   #
Slick Willie Loc: The U. S.
 
Delderby wrote:
Looks like you haven't been here long enough to find out. We've seen your sort before - they're in the attic.


I've been following this forum for quite a while and just hadn't joined 'til recently. What is my "sort" and what's your problem with what I said.

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Nov 10, 2014 01:58:30   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Slick Willie wrote:
I've been following this forum for quite a while and just hadn't joined 'til recently. What is my "sort" and what's your problem with what I said.


Slick, welcome to the Hog, I wouldn't take anybody's comments too personally, as NONE of us here have been here that long! :lol:
I agree with your response to Grandpa. Nothing against grandpa, I have great respect for him. BUT there is a lot of tongue-in-cheek and innuendo that gets flung around here. Usually it's done with a smiley face so that we all know it's just making a point.
Remember, we are all just phantoms hiding behind our keyboards, and we all go away when you, "Power Down" ! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Nov 10, 2014 02:19:11   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
OK, I need to take this to the next level.
I'm on record that I never turn off my camera(Canon), or do I?

It's true, I never turn it off, BBBUUUTTT, anytime I open the Card Door or the Battery Door, the camera COMPLETLY shuts down and is just like it were off, but it's not technically Powered Down.
So, is it turned off or not?
If it IS off, it's been made idiot proof to protect us from ourselves!! :lol:
Now, when I remove the lens the camera body stays active, giving us the ability to free-lens. BUT, if the shutter button is not half-pressed, the IS system is actually not activated.
So, is the IS system even receiving any power?

There are SOOO many urban legends in photography, it's pretty difficult to separate the truths from the myths. Just like the IS needing to be off while on a tripod.
I say everything is already OFF, so why turn it off??!! :shock:
SS

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Nov 10, 2014 02:28:46   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
ducwic wrote:
Not to worry, you haven't seen me shoot!
It's been over 25 years since my last hunt.


:thumbup:

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Nov 10, 2014 02:36:33   #
Shutter Bugger
 
Teton Viewer wrote:
This thread induced me to get out the Canon instruction manual for my 60D and read what it said about this subject. To my considerable surprise it says nothing whatsoever about turning off the camera when changing either lenses or batteries. It does say to turn it off when removing the SD card, but doesn't mention it for installing the card. I may have missed something but I did try to look in all the relevant sections of the manual. Very surprising!
This thread induced me to get out the Canon instru... (show quote)



Hmmm, it may relate to whether; circuits are present or not. ie it is a greater risk at points of electrical contact to break them than make them... I'm referring to removing and installing the SD card of course and the fact that the owners manual does not say to switch it off when
installing the memory card... and making that circuit.

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