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Oct 24, 2014 08:11:42   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
mymike wrote:
Very nice photo. I am researching and deciding if I want to go from a point and shoot to a DSLR or a mirrorless camera. The decision is hard to make.
I shoot mostly candid shots of people at meetings and do some photos for ID badges..which you can do even with a webcam. I also like to do landscapes and birds. Would you recommend mirrorless for those types of photographs? I had 35 mm SLRs and lenses but am reluctant to start over with all the lenses and bodies in digital (mostly because of the weight). I am wanting to spend more time taking pictures and less time working in the near future.
Very nice photo. I am researching and deciding if... (show quote)


Take a look at the following link Thom Hogan is a pro that shoots both systems. Look what he has in his bag....

http://www.sansmirror.com/articles/thoms-m43-bag.html

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Oct 24, 2014 08:22:37   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Elskipo wrote:
I've been shooting with Canon SLR's since long before anyone thought of digital photography. So when digital came along I continued buying Canon so that I've owned 5 of their DSLR's starting with the 10D. The results have been rewarding and exciting as I've traveled the world getting some amazing shots. But now I'm older and schlepping those heavy cameras and lenses has become a burden. For my last trip I bought a Sony alpha 6000 mirrorless with 2 lenses that take me from 17 to 215 mm. Fast? No and I wouldn't use this gear for sports. But for everything else the results have been amazing. On a travel assignment in Spain last month I packed this gear with an add-on flash, 2 extra batteries with charger and a bag of SD cards in a bag that would not fit my Canon 5D II body. I quickly got used to the EVF versus optical viewfinder and even found myself shooting (Gasp!) live view. The results were startlingly good and I certainly didn't miss the heavy gear bag.
So, for the serious photographer, do we give away credibility by not carrying the impressive bulky stuff? Until this trip I probably would have said yes but now, I know what I can do and if anyone doesn't like it they can volunteer to carry 30 lbs of stuff for me.
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I went mirror-less with an EM1 and have been very happy with it. The EVF takes getting used to but it also has some advantages.

I think this camera is better than the cameras I have owned prior to the D7100 and it is very close to that one as well. Sold the D7100 in favor of 36mp FF.

Would I give up my FF Nikon gear?...not at this time but I could live with the Oly as my only camera if I had too.

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Oct 24, 2014 08:45:02   #
hdg Loc: Boston
 
I'm a Nikon shooter, but my vacation camera is the Fuji XT-1. It makes gorgeous photos. It really does. It was quite fun for street photography with the tilt viewfinder and even has a remote shutter from my phone. But for professional work, I still prefer my Nikon gear. I just think it's more reliable, especially for moving shots. Mirrorless has come a long way, the quality of the shots are just as good, but the mechanics aren't quite professional yet.

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Oct 24, 2014 09:34:05   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Elskipo wrote:
I totally get where you are. Everything you are doing would be fine with a mirrorless - except birds. My experience as a seagull freak has taught me that the instant response of a DSLR shutter shooting at high speed through an optical viewfinder is the way to go. My suggestion would be to get a mirrorless for day to day stuff and until you can afford a DSLR with appropriate lenses, rent one for your bird shoots.



Though relatively new, my experience with the A6000 is that it is evenly fast (yep! Took pics of birds with no problems), and I lied that it has both an optical AND an EVF----- don't have to choose! Most important, it's IQ is outstanding.

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Oct 24, 2014 09:37:16   #
tomw
 
Elskipo wrote:
I totally get where you are. Everything you are doing would be fine with a mirrorless - except birds. My experience as a seagull freak has taught me that the instant response of a DSLR shutter shooting at high speed through an optical viewfinder is the way to go. My suggestion would be to get a mirrorless for day to day stuff and until you can afford a DSLR with appropriate lenses, rent one for your bird shoots.


I have no experience with mirrorless. Is it true that all of them have a delayed response time? Is that inherent in the design?

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Oct 24, 2014 10:01:01   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
tomw wrote:
I have no experience with mirrorless. Is it true that all of them have a delayed response time? Is that inherent in the design?


I can only respond to the a6000....... The true shutter response time is .15 seconds or so.

I think the delay you refer to is the "start up/turn on and take first shot" delay, which is slower than a dlsr

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Oct 24, 2014 10:32:10   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
Photomacdog wrote:
Since a mirror less camera is mirror less, does this mean the only way you can see the subject is on the "live view screen" on the back of the camera? I have tried to use the "live view screen" on my Nikon SLR several times in the bright sunlight and, due to reflection, I couldn't see the subject, and had to use the optical view finder.


I bought my Oly E-M1 early this year: No mirror, electronic viewfinder, and I love it. I can set the camera to live view, hold the camera at arm's length and take a picture. Or without changing any settings at all, I can bring the viewfinder to my eye, and just when it gets there, the LCD screen goes black and the image appears inside the viewfinder; I can then take a photo with the camera pressed against my forehead. Move it away from my face again, and the picture re-appears on the LCD screen.
I'm a viewfinder girl, and the only time I use the screen to take photos, is when I want candids of the grandkids: flip out the screen so I can see it, and use the cable release.

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Oct 24, 2014 11:27:40   #
londonfire Loc: NY to NC
 
Good post. I use MFT all the time now. I can take a pretty nice kit in a smallish pack and come home with photos pleasing to me. The only time my Canon stuff leaves the house in a Pelican case is for a road trip nearby when I can work out of my trunk. I'm also tired of spending 20 minutes in 'security' while 3-4 TSA pull every cable out of my case and hold it up for examination.

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Oct 24, 2014 11:35:02   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
Elskipo wrote:
Birds are fun - often happenstance and occasionally planned


And if you were near the East coast, instead of the Southwest, I would be just as concerned about the coyotes as that bird. They are mixed with wolf and can weigh up to 80 pounds.

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Oct 24, 2014 11:48:17   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
Hello Elskipo
Can you tell us what that thing is in the upper corner of that picture is? Otherwise it's a nice capture of the aqueduct.





Elskipo wrote:
I've been shooting with Canon SLR's since long before anyone thought of digital photography. So when digital came along I continued buying Canon so that I've owned 5 of their DSLR's starting with the 10D. The results have been rewarding and exciting as I've traveled the world getting some amazing shots. But now I'm older and schlepping those heavy cameras and lenses has become a burden. For my last trip I bought a Sony alpha 6000 mirrorless with 2 lenses that take me from 17 to 215 mm. Fast? No and I wouldn't use this gear for sports. But for everything else the results have been amazing. On a travel assignment in Spain last month I packed this gear with an add-on flash, 2 extra batteries with charger and a bag of SD cards in a bag that would not fit my Canon 5D II body. I quickly got used to the EVF versus optical viewfinder and even found myself shooting (Gasp!) live view. The results were startlingly good and I certainly didn't miss the heavy gear bag.
So, for the serious photographer, do we give away credibility by not carrying the impressive bulky stuff? Until this trip I probably would have said yes but now, I know what I can do and if anyone doesn't like it they can volunteer to carry 30 lbs of stuff for me.
I've been shooting with Canon SLR's since long bef... (show quote)

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Oct 24, 2014 12:20:01   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
mymike wrote:
My bird shoots are just happenstance. I took a picture of a hawk sitting in a telephone pole with ny 30x bridge camera and last week took a photo of a quail eating with the same camera. Photos were ok but not worth printing.


Taken with Olympus EM-1 and a Panasonic 35-100mm (70-20 35mm equivalent) lens handheld.


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Oct 24, 2014 13:06:01   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
mymike wrote:
My bird shoots are just happenstance. I took a picture of a hawk sitting in a telephone pole with ny 30x bridge camera and last week took a photo of a quail eating with the same camera. Photos were ok but not worth printing.


I don't wish to detract from the positive nature of Elskipo's post here but I have to stick my nose into this just a little ways. I realize that I may get it chopped off but I find that it does grow back, repeatedly. I have a mirrorless, one of the worst ever designed according to reviewers who concentrated primarily on focus speed but generally I reckon it's the best deal in a camera on the market today, the EOS M - pretty stinkin' good otherwise with most of the guts of the EOS 70D, touch screen and all that AND with a frame rate equal to the 5D2 I've been shooting for over 5 years now.

As to Elskipo's assessment of the a6000, I may be headed that way myself 'cause I haven't seen a negative thing said about it and I've got lots of Canon L glass that works with it nicely with a metabones adapter. Elskipo's assessment is that it's good for everything else but just not any good for birds in flight (bif) which I cannot argue with except that I know that as photographers we cannot leave everything up to the camera. We have to develop technique that works around the limitations of the equipment we use in order to come home with the bacon. Now, here in the high plains we don't have all those lumbering shore birds so I don't shoot many bif 'cause 34,782 images of a stinkin' ol' black crow ain't much better'n nothing, but I do on occasion see an eagle and find that some cameras are better than others for that but that's not nearly all there is in life for me. Still, I reckon that no matter what kind of camera you shoot with, if you can't work out something that'll let you luck out now and then with 11 fps, your mind, body, and camera just ain't working together at all and it's time for another hobby.

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Oct 24, 2014 13:38:22   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
Elskipo wrote:
The mirrorless camera transmits a portion of the light to an auxiliary sensor that produces an image in the electronic viewfinder...


As far as I know, the EVF image along with the LCD image both come from the same sensor, the one behind the lens.

As an EVF/OVF hater, I'm also glad that I'll never be forced to use one again. Composing shots through a peephole was never easy for me. Neither is adjusting white balance, exposure, etc. while looking through glass and not seeing what the sensor is going to record.

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Oct 24, 2014 13:41:00   #
mymike Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
gessman wrote:
I don't wish to detract from the positive nature of Elskipo's post here but I have to stick my nose into this just a little ways. I realize that I may get it chopped off but I find that it does grow back, repeatedly. I have a mirrorless, one of the worst ever designed according to reviewers who concentrated primarily on focus speed but generally I reckon it's the best deal in a camera on the market today, the EOS M - pretty stinkin' good otherwise with most of the guts of the EOS 70D, touch screen and all that AND with a frame rate equal to the 5D2 I've been shooting for over 5 years now.

As to Elskipo's assessment of the a6000, I may be headed that way myself 'cause I haven't seen a negative thing said about it and I've got lots of Canon L glass that works with it nicely with a metabones adapter. Elskipo's assessment is that it's good for everything else but just not any good for birds in flight (bif) which I cannot argue with except that I know that as photographers we cannot leave everything up to the camera. We have to develop technique that works around the limitations of the equipment we use in order to come home with the bacon. Now, here in the high plains we don't have all those lumbering shore birds so I don't shoot many bif 'cause 34,782 images of a stinkin' ol' black crow ain't much better'n nothing, but I do on occasion see an eagle and find that some cameras are better than others for that but that's not nearly all there is in life for me. Still, I reckon that no matter what kind of camera you shoot with, if you can't work out something that'll let you luck out now and then with 11 fps, your mind, body, and camera just ain't working together at all and it's time for another hobby.
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Nice assessment! Thank you. I am going to wait awhile before upgrading from my Nikon P7800 point and shoot. I just bought an external flash for it and I want to master both before upgrading.

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Oct 24, 2014 14:08:39   #
Elskipo Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
Ok, you convinced me. I'm going to be on the beach at Tybee Island next week and I'll give it a try with the Sony. Even if they don't come out I already have way more seagull pix than I can use in a lifetime.

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