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Oct 6, 2014 10:52:19   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Dngallagher wrote:
I think it would be helpful to see where the camera was actually focusing on each shot. Perhaps that would give a clue?

Can you look at and show the focus point selection on your shots?


I had the same thought. Could it be something so simple as to tight a DOF? Looks like there was low light at the time of the shoot. Maybe a wide open lens at the long end of the zoom is the problem. Just a guess

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Oct 6, 2014 11:37:29   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
birdpix wrote:
Looking at your photos, you don't seem to be panning with the subject. If you are only using the single center point for AF then when the subject moves from the center of the viewfinder the camera will refocus. In each case, the subject is in focus when she is centered but as she moves away from center, the camera is refocusing farther back on the Ref etc. If your camera is not set to only use the center point for AF then you do have a problem because it seems that the AF system is only using the center point and cannot track the moving subject. Adjacent focus points don't seem to be picking up the subject. I would clean the lens to body contacts just in case there is a communication problem there. Most importantly, try another lens on a moving object and see if the results are the same as with the 70-200.
Looking at your photos, you don't seem to be panni... (show quote)


Very good info/reccos....I really need to get back in the books....and I will use different lens this evening for sure....note: I have experienced incredible results (as expected w a D4) w my 80-400/f4.5 UNTIL I decided to use my 200/f2.8 lens as it begins to darken earlier this time of year......

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Oct 6, 2014 11:54:48   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
Delderby wrote:
Spot focus is your problem. Your camera is re-focusing very quickly on a very small "spot". Hence what you wish to be in focus has moved out of the "spot" It is reacting more quickly than you are. You would do better to change from spot to area focus. IMHO as an amateur. :-)


I will definitely stop using spot focus! My D700 had the focus selector lever on the rear of the body....the D4 needs to be reset in the menu function & I have neglected resetting original choices which I made 2 years ago...thx

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Oct 6, 2014 11:56:47   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
skywolf wrote:
Do they have a practice session you could shoot? Practice for them, practice for you.


Read my mind....plan to do this latewr today

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Oct 6, 2014 12:03:24   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
dcampbell52 wrote:
If you provide shots please set them to store original so what we may download them so that we can see the metadata and focus point. This will help greatly in analyzing the images. Thanks

Thank you....still learning in all respects...didn't understand that feature....certainly will do in the future

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Oct 6, 2014 12:09:54   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
I suspect it is here: There are two types of auto focus, one for moving targets the other for static. AF-C (short for auto focus continuous) and AF-S (short for auto focus single). Read manual to see how each works... or go here:

http://www.slrphotographyguide.com/camera/nikon-digital-slr/focus-modes.shtml

If you look in NX2, your focus point can be highlighted. Spot is fine if you have it on the subject!


Didn't have time to read through all the responses... forgive me if already answered.

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Oct 6, 2014 12:10:19   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
boberic wrote:
I had the same thought. Could it be something so simple as to tight a DOF? Looks like there was low light at the time of the shoot. Maybe a wide open lens at the long end of the zoom is the problem. Just a guess


Your guessed parameters are spot on! This reply is what I really think is going on with me. I have been used to either excellent daylight or "under the lights" well after sunset & this issue has cropped up (pun intended) as our 6pm game time is quickly losing the light I have been enjoying.

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Oct 6, 2014 12:12:10   #
birdpix Loc: South East Pennsylvania
 
MR BILL wrote:
Very good info/reccos....I really need to get back in the books....and I will use different lens this evening for sure....note: I have experienced incredible results (as expected w a D4) w my 80-400/f4.5 UNTIL I decided to use my 200/f2.8 lens as it begins to darken earlier this time of year......


Mr Bill: You've had some good advice and some not so good. Most sports photographers set their lens wide open because they want the background to be out of focus so that the subject is isolated. They set their shutter speed to one that will freeze most motion for the particular sport considering the light conditions and then set the ISO at whatever is needed to get good exposure. Some motion blur may be acceptable. Inevitably, we reach a point where the light level is beyond the capabilities of the gear to show it without motion blur.

Spot focus is great if you are trying to shoot through a forest of legs or bodies but it does put a heavier burden on the photographer to keep that point on target. I shoot within the Canon system and I know I can set the AF sensitivity so that the camera will hesitate before refocusing if the focus point drifts away from the target momentarily. I find it helps to have a small cluster of AF points doing the work. Canon calls this AF point expansion and uses 5 or 9 AF points with the manually selected point starting focus and the remainder available to assist. I'm sure the D4 has similar settings.
My camera also allows me to show the AF points in the viewfinder. The active point shows bright red and I can watch to see if the focus point is changing as the AF system follows a subject.


If you can show the active AF points in viewfinder, you can easily test the system if you set it for all points AF, pick a well lit target with nothing nearby to distract the AF system, focus on the target then move the camera around slightly and watch to see if the active AF points change as the target moves around in the viewfinder.

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Oct 6, 2014 12:21:04   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
camerapapi wrote:
I tend to agree. If the camera's AF module is set for shutter priority AF some shots will not be in focus, especially if the focus bracket is not on the subject.
Consider also that a low shutter speed or not high enough ISO will not guarantee sharp pictures. In your case it would be preferable to increase ISO and make sure your shutter speed is beyond 1/400sec. minimum or higher if possible. Aperture priority at times due to lighting conditions will select a slow shutter speed and in that respect for this type of photography shutter priority is a better shooting mode since the operator is selecting a shutter speed known to render the pictures sharper. Useless to repeat that the shutter speed should be HIGHER than the equivalent focal length of the lens in use. In my case, I also disable VR.
Hope this gives you some thoughts.
I tend to agree. If the camera's AF module is set ... (show quote)


All very useful thoughts...as I am not a frequent user of this great site, I find myself desiring to answer EVERY reply as I read it....spent the morning with the plumber ....so, my plan is to continue reading & acting on ALL of your inputs, but not necessarily individually replying....Is there a proper etiquite for someone like me who needs your help, but can't spend most of my time "hunt & peck" typing on this computer? I am very greatful for your interest in my situation......be back later....Bill

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Oct 6, 2014 12:21:41   #
kenpic Loc: Edmonds, WA
 
I thought you only put the switch on the lens to "action" if you were on a moving platform, like a boat.....

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Oct 6, 2014 12:23:37   #
MR BILL Loc: Tennessee
 
jerryc41 wrote:
And the focus switches weren't moved? That happened to me yesterday. I must have switched the lens to Manual accidentally, so I switched it back.


Thx...I did recheck all my switches think/hoping that they would solve this!

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Oct 6, 2014 12:26:47   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Have you tried 3D focus tracking? The camera will anticipate the movement of your subject.

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/ftlzi4lx/3d-focus-tracking.html

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Oct 6, 2014 12:41:42   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
MR BILL wrote:
another pair


are u using matrix or spot metering . if matrix try spot .

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Oct 6, 2014 12:54:01   #
snydersnapshots Loc: Houston, Texas
 
MR BILL wrote:
I have the focus point selected smack dab in the center all the time...not sure if this is recorede somewhere in metadata for actual shots tho.


It looks to me like you're using a single focus point instead of multiple points. You may already know this, but if you are using a single point and shift it off the subject then it will focus on whatever the point is looking at. Honestly, your pictures look just fine to me.

One way you could test it is to put the camera on a tripod and aim it at a non-moving object at approximately the same distance from the camera as the soccer action, then fire off several bursts. If you're looking at a non-moving object, then every shot should be in focus. If some are and some aren't, then you have a camera and/or lens problem.

One other thought...when you were holding the lens, were you possibly moving the manual focus ring slightly? That could cause an issue as well.

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Oct 6, 2014 13:03:06   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
It's not the lens or camera. You probably don't have it set for one focus point, or you are slipping off of your subject and have it set to refocus quickly if it does. There are many things to consider when shooting action shots involving moving targets. Do some searching on youtube and other internet sites for the best settings for your D4. Shooting moving subjects takes skill. Just because you have one of the best cameras made, doesn't make it the easiest to use and it doesn't guarantee perfect pictures.

MR BILL wrote:
I am an avid non-pro Nikon D4 high school sports shooter. Before venturing to my next game, I'd like to know if anyone knows what is PROBABLY going on with my equiptment? Symptoms: using a 70-200mm VR II lens set for auto focus/action (I don't think any switches were mis-set) I shot many full continusous bursts of soccer. Upon processing on LR5 this is the results....some sequences begin focused & then gradually OR abruptly become way out of focus. This occurred over & over...some nice shots...many terrible failures.....without any nearby action until next game is there any help in trouble shooting or ideas to help me? Hoping for the best while preparing for the worst......
I am an avid non-pro Nikon D4 high school sports s... (show quote)

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