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Oct 1, 2014 08:53:34   #
Jbat Loc: Charleston, SC
 
I moved from Windows to Mac in Jan of this year and have to admit that I have never looked back. I used windows computers for 25 years and it took me a little time to get up to speed but not a great deal of difficulty. The last thing I wanted was to run windows on the Mac and have two systems to worry about and keep abreast of. In the transition, Apple has great support and I took a class at the local store and called them many times with questions when I got stumped. I think I only found one program that did not have a Mac version so virtually all my windows programs got installed on the Mac operating system.

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Oct 1, 2014 10:41:24   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
Trieast1 wrote:
I am receiving a Mac desktop and I am worried about the transfer. Can I use the Windows 7 on the Mac until I am familiar with the Apple operating system?
What's the best way to bring my programs over, LR, Elements, etc.?


Question 1: Why? You are defeating the Mac if you want to use Windows on it.

Question 2: You may have to repurchase some of your software to use on the Mac. Sometimes when you purchase a license to use software, the license is only applicable to one operating system. Not both Windows and Mac. Good luck.

Question 3: You have to install your programs on the Mac.

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Oct 1, 2014 11:00:18   #
coyotecall Loc: New Mexico
 
ditto, ditto, ditto to all above. You don't need to worry about "Command-C" kinds of stuff, just point and click. Work with the Apple OS is elegant and simple. I have NEVER wanted to throw my Mac against a wall as I often felt with the PC I had.

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Oct 1, 2014 11:12:16   #
BobInNJ Loc: In NJ, near Phila. Pa
 
Best thing about Mac, is the support I get at the Apple Store. I saw software that runs Windows 7 on the Mac, FYI. Some of your user programsmay have separate versions for Mac. I would ask a rep. at the store to sort this out

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Oct 1, 2014 11:24:00   #
flathead27ford Loc: Colorado, North of Greeley
 
Trieast1 wrote:
I am receiving a Mac desktop and I am worried about the transfer. Can I use the Windows 7 on the Mac until I am familiar with the Apple operating system?
What's the best way to bring my programs over, LR, Elements, etc.?


I suggest you forget about Windows and jump right in. It's really not that hard. I love working on a Mac, but started on a PC way back when. I doubt you will regret it. Cheers.

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Oct 1, 2014 11:40:23   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
jerryc41 wrote:
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

Yep, that was it, thank you!

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Oct 1, 2014 11:44:20   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
sloscheider wrote:
don't let yourself use a crutch - just leave windows 7. They really aren't that much different.

You will need to get the Mac versions of LR and Elements. You can use your Adobe ID to download them.


This!

I just switched cold turkey and unless you are a total techno-phobe...you won't have a problem.

Anytime you can't figure out how to do something just google it.

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Oct 1, 2014 12:07:36   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
sloscheider wrote:
don't let yourself use a crutch - just leave windows 7. They really aren't that much different.

You will need to get the Mac versions of LR and Elements. You can use your Adobe ID to download them.


You don't actually need a key or ID to download LR and/or Elements. However, if you have the PC version now, your key will not work on a Mac computer: You have to pay for the programs again.
From Adobe's EULA:
"2.1.5 Dual Boot Platform. The Software is licensed for use on a specific operating system platform. Customer
must purchase a separate license for use of the Software on each operating system platform. By way of example,
if Customer desires to in
stall the Software on both the Mac OS and Windows operating system platforms on a
device that runs both of those platforms (i.e., a dual boot machine), then Customer must first obtain two separate
licenses for the Software. This is true even if two version
s of the Software, each designed for a different operating
system platform, are delivered to Customer on the same media."

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Oct 1, 2014 23:49:56   #
bunuweld Loc: Arizona
 
Trieast1 wrote:
I am receiving a Mac desktop and I am worried about the transfer. Can I use the Windows 7 on the Mac until I am familiar with the Apple operating system?
What's the best way to bring my programs over, LR, Elements, etc.?


My understanding that if you buy the Mac from the store, the store will do the transfer of files for you. I did it the hard way and took me some labor to do it. As for having Windows running in your Mac, the Parallels program or Boot Camp are supposed to be useful. I tried Parallels and found it abominable and ended up using the Mac OS exclusively. The only program that I missed from Microsoft was Microsoft Office, but Microsoft now sells its own version for Mac, and I am using it and have kissed goodbye to Microsoft and Parallels, and happy about it. After many years of using Windows, I find Apple far superior and am happy with the change.

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Oct 2, 2014 00:08:20   #
coyotecall Loc: New Mexico
 
Microsoft Office has been available for Mac for many years. I've had it on every Mac I've owned for about 20.

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Oct 2, 2014 01:10:47   #
Jana-TAS Loc: Washington
 
So have I coyote. The only thing I have not been able to figure out though is this: how do you convert an old Word Document to a newer version (so it is readable) or so you can open it on your newer Mac? I have older documents saved from way back when I was in H.S. and college that I still do care about but due to them being on that older version of Word that is not what I have on this computer I can not read them and can't open them up on this computer. If there is a certain program I need to get and put on the computer to be able to please let me know.

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Oct 2, 2014 05:04:45   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Jana-TAS wrote:
So have I coyote. The only thing I have not been able to figure out though is this: how do you convert an old Word Document to a newer version (so it is readable) or so you can open it on your newer Mac? I have older documents saved from way back when I was in H.S. and college that I still do care about but due to them being on that older version of Word that is not what I have on this computer I can not read them and can't open them up on this computer. If there is a certain program I need to get and put on the computer to be able to please let me know.
So have I coyote. The only thing I have not been ... (show quote)


http://www.libreoffice.org/ free and runs on OSX, Windows and Linux. It generally does a pretty good job of reading word processing documents from other programs. There are also mac versions of firefox and google chrome browsers which I like to use. Googledocs and Microsoft office 365 should work in your browser too. You might, as a photographer, like to try a program called Darktable (www.darktable.org) also free and is very similar to lightroom.


Running Windows Software on a mac.

Virtualbox (which is free for personal use) is excellent software from oracle which allows you to create and run various operating systems within a virtual pc and even share files between the guest virtual machine and the host. If you select bridged mode for the virtual network card in virtualbox it will appear as a PC on your lan as well as your mac, this can be useful. The hard drive for a virtual pc is a large file on your mac's harddrive which grows as needed, as it is just a file it can be moved to an external hard drive. You would have to change the virtual machine settings to say where it is moved to.

You could even install Virtualbox on another PC and plug the external drive into that pc set that virtual machine to use the same hard drive file as you use on the mac and you would be able to use it just the same as if it was running on your mac host. Yes windows running within windows or Linux if you prefer (linux can boot from an external drive or a usb stick which gives you the possibility of having your virtual pc self contained in even just a thumb drive, just boot from usb).

With bootcamp you can install a windows install on a separate partition (subject to license restrictions of the windows disk). For most uses a virtual pc is good enough (slightly slower than a pc with the same cpu and you shouldn't allocate more than half your ram to the virtual pc).

Where boot camp would be useful is for PC Games as they will want direct access to your graphics card and audio hardware to run at their best. Technically you could run the PC version of Photoshop on it and it should perform as well as it would on an equivalent specified PC but it makes more sense to use the Mac to run that.

Disadvantages of dualbooting is that Windows would have to be allocated a slice of your hard drive effectively permanently. Windows isn't really able to read the hfs journaled file system which osx uses, although OSX can read the NTFS file system that Windows uses. This could be inconvenient if you need a file which is stored on the other OS.

So generally speaking if you need windows programs on your mac a virtual machine is the most useful way to go. It's worth noting that if you do create a virtual machine there are several options for the file format of the hard drive file. VMDK is a good choice as Paragon software have a free program which lets you mount vmdk files as a virtual hard drive on your mac.

Lets say your virtual machine has a file you need on the mac a photo maybe. With a Virtual machine you normally would have to boot it into windows and login before you could put it in a shared folder of copy and paste via the clipboard. With Paragons little utility you can click on the hard drive file and it becomes just another drive on your mac, no need to start the virtual machine and wait for it to boot.

While I have talked about virtualbox, parallels and vmware work just the same but you would need to pay for parallels and the commercial vmware workstation is really the equivalent of Virtualbox, although once you have setup a virtual machine in workstation the free vmware player is all that is needed to run the virtual machine. Vmware does have the possibility of running a virtual Mac on a PC but that is disabled by default.

One of the great things about computers today is open source software largely free (as in beer), They tend to have versions across platforms the one most commonly mentioned on this forum is the Gimp which is available on Linux, BSD, Windows and OSX for example. For OSX there are 2 main sources MacPorts and Brew (kind of like open source supermarkets but without checkouts) Here you can find programs for doing most things under one roof (ok 2) its always worth taking a look here to see if there is something available to do what you want.

I forgot about codeweavers crossoveroffice and wine
crossoveroffice is a commercial version of wine maintained by a company called codeweavers. Wine (which stands for wine is not an emulator) trys to provide a windows program with the resources it would normally get from the windows operating system a bit like an interpretor between a french man and and an englishman translating between the two languages (OSX and Windows) the simpler the conversation the less likely there is to be a misunderstanding sometimes the conversation goes smoothly other times there maybe some misunderstandings and other times its a non starter.

Codeweavers tend to concentrate on the most useful windows programs and may do better than wine at running the foreign windows program initially they concentrated on the biggie microsoft office hence crossoveroffice but they do a lot more than that.
Obviously if it works for the software you want to run its a lot less resource hungry than recreating a whole windows pc in software and you don't need a windows license to legally run it.

It can be useful, I'm using it now as it happens to run Sonys PC desktop reader software on a linux desktop. I'm authoring epubs for my sony reader and its easier to load an epub into the reader on my desktop than keep transferring the epub to my reader only to find an error in the css and have to edit it and repeat. Sonys ereader doesn't support all the layout code properly.

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Oct 2, 2014 13:55:57   #
bunuweld Loc: Arizona
 
blackest wrote:
http://www.libreoffice.org/ free and runs on OSX, Windows and Linux. It generally does a pretty good job of reading word processing documents from other programs. There are also mac versions of firefox and google chrome browsers which I like to use. Googledocs and Microsoft office 365 should work in your browser too. You might, as a photographer, like to try a program called Darktable (www.darktable.org) also free and is very similar to lightroom.


Running Windows Software on a mac.

Virtualbox (which is free for personal use) is excellent software from oracle which allows you to create and run various operating systems within a virtual pc and even share files between the guest virtual machine and the host. If you select bridged mode for the virtual network card in virtualbox it will appear as a PC on your lan as well as your mac, this can be useful. The hard drive for a virtual pc is a large file on your mac's harddrive which grows as needed, as it is just a file it can be moved to an external hard drive. You would have to change the virtual machine settings to say where it is moved to.

You could even install Virtualbox on another PC and plug the external drive into that pc set that virtual machine to use the same hard drive file as you use on the mac and you would be able to use it just the same as if it was running on your mac host. Yes windows running within windows or Linux if you prefer (linux can boot from an external drive or a usb stick which gives you the possibility of having your virtual pc self contained in even just a thumb drive, just boot from usb).

With bootcamp you can install a windows install on a separate partition (subject to license restrictions of the windows disk). For most uses a virtual pc is good enough (slightly slower than a pc with the same cpu and you shouldn't allocate more than half your ram to the virtual pc).

Where boot camp would be useful is for PC Games as they will want direct access to your graphics card and audio hardware to run at their best. Technically you could run the PC version of Photoshop on it and it should perform as well as it would on an equivalent specified PC but it makes more sense to use the Mac to run that.

Disadvantages of dualbooting is that Windows would have to be allocated a slice of your hard drive effectively permanently. Windows isn't really able to read the hfs journaled file system which osx uses, although OSX can read the NTFS file system that Windows uses. This could be inconvenient if you need a file which is stored on the other OS.

So generally speaking if you need windows programs on your mac a virtual machine is the most useful way to go. It's worth noting that if you do create a virtual machine there are several options for the file format of the hard drive file. VMDK is a good choice as Paragon software have a free program which lets you mount vmdk files as a virtual hard drive on your mac.

Lets say your virtual machine has a file you need on the mac a photo maybe. With a Virtual machine you normally would have to boot it into windows and login before you could put it in a shared folder of copy and paste via the clipboard. With Paragons little utility you can click on the hard drive file and it becomes just another drive on your mac, no need to start the virtual machine and wait for it to boot.

While I have talked about virtualbox, parallels and vmware work just the same but you would need to pay for parallels and the commercial vmware workstation is really the equivalent of Virtualbox, although once you have setup a virtual machine in workstation the free vmware player is all that is needed to run the virtual machine. Vmware does have the possibility of running a virtual Mac on a PC but that is disabled by default.

One of the great things about computers today is open source software largely free (as in beer), They tend to have versions across platforms the one most commonly mentioned on this forum is the Gimp which is available on Linux, BSD, Windows and OSX for example. For OSX there are 2 main sources MacPorts and Brew (kind of like open source supermarkets but without checkouts) Here you can find programs for doing most things under one roof (ok 2) its always worth taking a look here to see if there is something available to do what you want.

I forgot about codeweavers crossoveroffice and wine
crossoveroffice is a commercial version of wine maintained by a company called codeweavers. Wine (which stands for wine is not an emulator) trys to provide a windows program with the resources it would normally get from the windows operating system a bit like an interpretor between a french man and and an englishman translating between the two languages (OSX and Windows) the simpler the conversation the less likely there is to be a misunderstanding sometimes the conversation goes smoothly other times there maybe some misunderstandings and other times its a non starter.

Codeweavers tend to concentrate on the most useful windows programs and may do better than wine at running the foreign windows program initially they concentrated on the biggie microsoft office hence crossoveroffice but they do a lot more than that.
Obviously if it works for the software you want to run its a lot less resource hungry than recreating a whole windows pc in software and you don't need a windows license to legally run it.

It can be useful, I'm using it now as it happens to run Sonys PC desktop reader software on a linux desktop. I'm authoring epubs for my sony reader and its easier to load an epub into the reader on my desktop than keep transferring the epub to my reader only to find an error in the css and have to edit it and repeat. Sonys ereader doesn't support all the layout code properly.
http://www.libreoffice.org/ free and runs on OSX, ... (show quote)


Thank you very much, blackest. In addition to clarifying the issue, you covered a number of things that I didn't know and which will be very helpful in my relatively new experience with my Mac.

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Nov 22, 2014 11:36:26   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Lots of good responses. Re on the thread that says "if you want to keep using Windows why switch to Mac." The answer is you can run both Windows and OS X on a Mac. It's nice to be able to do both. Having said that, the Mac is happier being a Mac. There is a $ cost and a performance cost to running Windows on your Mac.

And nothing says you can't keep both computers.

If you have a local Apple Store I recommend you pay a visit they can be very helpful in theses matters.

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