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Sep 28, 2014 21:22:25   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Shutter Bugger wrote:
Or she gets
satisfaction from asserting her will by denying others achievement . She knows she has leverage because of the "environment" and orders you
to stop.

Just a different take on the dog in the manger syndrome.


True.

I had a sassy bitch woman come into a CVS store one time to find me. I had pulled into a parking space next to a handicapped spot and when I got off my big motorcycle, the bike leaned left onto the side stand and the handle bar came to rest above the white line separating the two spots.

Now, this CVS had a row of 8 handicapped spots across the front of it because it was a strip center and management decided to pool ALL the handicap spots in front of that retail location even before CVS moved in. If you were handicapped and wanted to go to the Subway down at the other end, you stupidly had to park at CVS and wheelchair or cripple your way to the far end of the building which was almost a city block away. So I didn't think anything of my handlebar on the white line of the 8th spot although I knew it was there.

So this woman makes a special effort to pull into the CVS (she wasn't already in the store shopping) and came inside. I'm at the magazine rack with my helmet sitting up at chest level on a magazine shelf. I'm wearing all black and a leather vest and had a full beard at the time. She comes stomping up in her flat shoes that made a smacking sound on the tile floor and starts giving me hell over my interfering with the ability of a handicap to get into the store and all about their rights guaranteed by the ADA, etc.

I stared at her and said, "I have no clue what you're talking about." So she goes on and on and eventually informs me I'm parked partially in a handicap spot. I said I was not. She said my bike was leaning into it. I said it was not - the handlebar was on the line and it didn't matter anyway because there were 7 other unused spots there. She went on and on like she was crazy - and she was not even handicapped herself.

I finally said, "Ok, I've had enough of this, you little witch. You shut up and leave or this could get ugly. Who the hell do you think you are coming in here and attacking me when you aren't even handicapped? And who in their right mind at just 5 feet tall goes off on a 6 foot 2 inch 300 pound biker without even speaking in a civilized manner first? If I wasn't a calm person who can endure your mouth I could have split your f*ck*n head open with my helmet and knocked you out cold a long time ago. Get to hell out of my face."

Only then did she realize the potentially hazardous blunder of her actions, and started to head toward the front door but still rotated around at the waist so she was facing me and kept snapping that her now deceased husband was handicapped and they experienced handicap parking spot hogs like me many times and blah, blah, blah... still yacking as she went out the glass doors and left.

This person somehow lost all common sense for some reason, and felt empowered to do and say whatever she wanted, to anybody she wanted, because the subject matter was defending the rights of handicaps. She had stepped outside of reality while on a mission to throw herself in front of a bus over nothing of importance.

I wasn't done in the store yet but I was afraid she might go out and drive her car into my bike intentionally to knock it over so I went to the door and watched her drive off. The paradox was that she had parked crossways at the end of 3 handicapped spots and blocked all 3 while she was inside spewing her wrath, and that was far more of an offense than my handle bar tip hanging on the white line.

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Sep 28, 2014 21:25:12   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
I hope BZ is a good thing spinkick.:):)
Erv



spinkick wrote:
Sorry for the rant, but folks have to start standing up for their rights!!

BZ Frv!!!!!

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Sep 28, 2014 22:12:51   #
Bill gomberg
 
Thanks .So well put

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Sep 28, 2014 22:37:28   #
terrild53 Loc: Now in The Villages, FL
 
DavidPine wrote:
Erv, I, too, am a Vietnam vet. I fully intend to exercise my rights. When children are involved, however, I am careful because of todays social environment. I think it's crappy that when you say hello to a youngster that many won't make eye contact or return the courtesy. I think this is an illness within our society that has been carried too far. I do think parents should teach their children to be careful and how to protect themselves but they still need polite social skills taught.

What's interesting is that I have taken a ton of pictures at my grandson's sports events and other events around the area where I live; from local carnivals, parades, at the lake or at the beach, at certain school functions too.....I haven't been hassled (yet), however, I am a grandmother, so maybe being female keeps people from thinking such bad thoughts about photos being taken with a big camera & lens. It IS, though, a very sad state of affairs when people who are simply trying to practice and enjoy their hobby/art/ profession are asked to leave what they are doing because some young 30-something "I drive an SUV and I know everything about how everyone thinks" kind of mom puts up a big stink, when all she might've had to do was inquire of the photographer what he was doing. I like the idea of having a business card to hand out in those cases so that people see you ARE legit......The world sure isn't like it was 30-50 years ago...you know before school shootings became commonplace, before Adam Walsh happened......now everyone who has children is suspicious and basically paranoid......It is the way things have evolved.....So ask permission to take pictures of children and hand out a business card to keep things calm......Just some thoughts on the subject......

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Sep 29, 2014 00:06:14   #
khm105 Loc: Louisiana
 
I will admit that I haven't read all of the posts yet. My husband drives a school bus and in fact we own the bus, but every bus has a camera in them. Most of the drivers like to have the cameras in the buses because it protects them from any of the kids making up stories. In addition it keeps the kids straight. Last year one of the kids on my husbands bus cut one of the seats. When he called the parents the mother said oh my son wouldn't do that. That is when he invited her to come to the transportation office and look at what the camera caught her son doing. She immediately agreed to pay to have the seat fixed. We didn't have to have the camera put in the school board paid for and arranged for it to be put in.

Kathy

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Sep 29, 2014 01:25:50   #
khm105 Loc: Louisiana
 
zigipha wrote:
4. I was at a nude bodypainting event in nyc central park back in august (photographer not participant!). In a public spot, a big crowd. Lots of folks with cameras, including a few creepy looking ones. at one point a female model (totally naked except for paint) lets loose on a creepy one, about how she won't let him objectify her body and that she does not give her permission for him to take her picture (hes was getting some real close up shots). he backed off but hung around. a second woman lets loose on him as well.

a public event, folks getting naked on purpose..and i still felt their privacy was being violated in the way their photos were being taken.

I bring this point up to show that even in this extreme case, moderation is needed.
4. I was at a nude bodypainting event in nyc cent... (show quote)


Imho if you are without clothing in a public place they sure aren't worried about privacy. Cover up anything you want to keep private.

Kathy

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Sep 29, 2014 01:42:29   #
4ellen4 Loc: GTA--Ontario
 
The general rule of thumb is that we all have the right to expectation to privacy. If you are standing in your window sans clothing it is against the law for someone to take a photo - invasion of privacy. If you step outside your door then you have lost your right to privacy.
NOW
There are a lot of weirdos in this world and probably some parent for one reason or another was worried why you took their child's photo. And so yes, they had a right to be concerned. the police where only doing their job.
People going to these events should expect to see others there with cameras! Only common sense
Sad state of affairs but that is the way of the world today.

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Sep 29, 2014 02:02:50   #
khm105 Loc: Louisiana
 
marcomarks wrote:

I finally said, "Ok, I've had enough of this, you little witch. You shut up and leave or this could get ugly. Who the hell do you think you are coming in here and attacking me when you aren't even handicapped? And who in their right mind at just 5 feet tall goes off on a 6 foot 2 inch 300 pound biker without even speaking in a civilized manner first? If I wasn't a calm person who can endure your mouth I could have split your f*ck*n head open with my helmet and knocked you out cold a long time ago. Get to hell out of my face."

Only then did she realize the potentially hazardous blunder of her actions, and started to head toward the front door but still rotated around at the waist so she was facing me and kept snapping that her now deceased husband was handicapped and they experienced handicap parking spot hogs like me many times and blah, blah, blah... still yacking as she went out the glass doors and left.

This person somehow lost all common sense for some reason, and felt empowered to do and say whatever she wanted, to anybody she wanted, because the subject matter was defending the rights of handicaps. She had stepped outside of reality while on a mission to throw herself in front of a bus over nothing of importance.
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A few years ago my husband and I went to a chili cook off . As we were going in I noticed a bunch of motorcycles all parked together. Hubby and I went walking around and we got behind this skuzzy looking guy. He had long stringy hair and was dressed like he belonged on one of those motorcycles. Then he turned around and said "Hi Mom."

Kathy

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Sep 29, 2014 02:20:51   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
khm105 wrote:
A few years ago my husband and I went to a chili cook off . As we were going in I noticed a bunch of motorcycles all parked together. Hubby and I went walking around and we got behind this skuzzy looking guy. He had long stringy hair and was dressed like he belonged on one of those motorcycles. Then he turned around and said "Hi Mom."

Kathy


What was your point?

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Sep 29, 2014 02:34:47   #
khm105 Loc: Louisiana
 
marcomarks wrote:
What was your point?


My point was that you can't judge a person by what he looks like.

Kathy

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Sep 29, 2014 02:44:04   #
jfn007 Loc: Close to the middle of nowhere.
 
Some cops I have known are either too ignorant to read your DOJ letter or wouldn't give a damn. Your civil rights here in some Mexifornia jurisdictions are exactly what the cop tells you they are. If I am ever stopped by a cop my responses would be yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am.
Not all cops are pricks, but there are enough pricks that I am always courteous to them. My interactions with the police have been limited.

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Sep 29, 2014 03:26:19   #
Peter1972m Loc: Essex, England, UK
 
Mr PC wrote:
I need to be more careful. I have a white beard and a camera. I'll bet I fit some profile...


I hope your Santa making sure my new D810 is working perfectly.

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Sep 29, 2014 03:50:44   #
tradergeorge Loc: Newport, Kentucky
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured it was a good opportunity to practise some night time techniques using only manual mode. This is thanks to you all for recommending reading Understanding Exposure. I was a A type person before. To keep things simple used a prime 35.

So I taking pictures of the colorful rides and the folks having fun at the carnival. I was politely stopped by the police and was asked what I was doing. Simply told them taking pictures of the event. They said some of the parents had complained about me.

WOW...this happens to other folks. We had a brief discussion. One officer said if I wasn't with my SO, he would have asked to me leave. I told him I would stop taking pictures of people and focus on objects. He seemed to be ok with that. It was not too long after that we did leave anyways.

This got me thinking, no doubt it was a mother that got freaked out. What did that one person think a pedophile or some other malcontent was going to do with the pictures of the their kids in an evil way. As a parent not sure how I would have reacted (my kids are grown up and I don't have to worry about stuff like this). Is this simply something they have seen or read in the news that should be reported and action taken on or do they have valid reasons to react this way.

Just wonderin

Willie
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured ... (show quote)


Hire (or take your own) kid, and photograph him with the subjects you want in the background at a high pixel count. You can then crop the shot you want....They will all have infinite DOF, but what the hey....LOL

You will not get any complaints as long as you have a kid with you and appear to be taking pics of him/her...

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Sep 29, 2014 05:26:08   #
katbandit Loc: new york city
 
even though i am an older female i am very careful of taking photos of other peoples kids at any affair...especially with a camera that stands out..when at my grandkids dance lessons or sports events i never have a problem ..i even give them my card ..offer them the photos of their kids too which they love getting..but in a public park or fairgrounds its a definite no no..i certainly would watch out for anyone taking photos of my grandkids that i didn't feel comfortable with..even I'm guilty of being concerned with men taking photos ..sorry guys..it is definitely a sign of the times..however i do notice many of the fellows that do go out look shabby and unkempt..it all depends on how you present yourselves also...like i said ..even as a woman i have been approached and asked why I'm taking photos..so i try to dress neatly when i go out..always have my card available ..and i apologize and move on..you can never be too careful now days..is it worth the aggravation over a photo op..there are plenty others...

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Sep 29, 2014 05:33:54   #
Haydon
 
wlgoode wrote:
I carry a couple of copies of this letter stating the law on this subject that was supported by a federal judge. Show it to the cop and ask politely that he/she shows it to the chief. Never had a problem. Your rights are being violated.

Letter from US Dept. of Justice Warning Police
Do Not Interfere with Photographer's Rights

Violating Photographer's Rights
Reference DOJ5735 May 18, 2012

www.Justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/Sharp_ltr_5-14-2012.pdf

Unfortunately that url is unresolved and I had no success doing a google search for the pdf.

Upheld by U.S. 7th District Court of Appeals

Photographer's Legal Rights

Photographers have the legal right to photograph activities that occur in public space or which are photographed from a public space. This includes but is not limited to sidewalks, streets, public transportation systems, plazas and other spaces where the public is allowed to be. Attempts to prevent this photographer from exercising these rights may subject you to criminal or civil penalties for harassment and coercion.


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Please note that this decision was made in light of the Patriot Act.

I print it in bold to make it easier for the cop to read in dim light.
I carry a couple of copies of this letter stating ... (show quote)


Unfortunately that url doesn't resolve and after performing a search through Google, it wasn't found. Would love to print it and keep it with me at all times.

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