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Sep 27, 2014 21:25:04   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
skywolf wrote:
Laws vary from state to state, and sometimes from city to city within a state. Generally, if you're at a public event on public property, you can photograph anything...or anyone...you please. Private property is a different matter. If you go on private property, you should ask permission to shoot.


...and private property includes amusement parks, even Disney. Now, if you hired and released everyone, or put up a "if you precede past this point, you agree to be photographed" sign in a conspicuous place by all entrances... lots of folly in this biz.

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Sep 27, 2014 23:40:23   #
rbfanman
 
You have a right to photograph anyone / anything that is in public view in public places, and anyone who tries to stop you from doing so is violating your rights...even if they wear a badge. The best thing to do, from now on, is to get a press pass, and flash it at idiots who complain. If that doesn't work, threaten to bring a civil rights law suit against them / their employer / the city. You can become a member of a valid news agency AP, etc, or become 'stringer' for the local newspaper. Morons have this notion that their image belongs to them, and you can't photograph them without their permission. If that were true, there would be no such thing as News Photography (Photojournalism). The First Amendment Of The US Constitution protects you...especially when you are a news photographer. Do not let anyone bully you.

Such is the case on public land...in the street, on the lawn at city hall, etc. At private places, like Disney Land, you should get permission first. Write a letter in advance, mention your press pass, and ask for permission to photograph events, etc. You will usually get it. Your press pass , and a letter, can also get you back stage to concerts and the like, to get close ups of stars.

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Sep 28, 2014 03:18:17   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
joe west wrote:
looked at your web page, one question why the number 439 on every bike shot

An interesting question which I would not attempt to answer. However, the museum where I volunteer occasionally has restored cars on display, either inside or on the closed street outside. I have a card, license plate size, with my name, phone number, email address, "copyright" (and symbol) and, each January 1, the new year. If I take a picture of a car (with the owner's consent) and the license plate (as is common) has the year and make of the car, I put my sign on the front bumper of the car. If the license plate is standard issue, my placard covers both plates. If the owner objects to the sign, I remove it. I am not taking these pictures because of the restoration, but because a high school friend collects the pictures and stores them in albums by year and make. Thus, if I were inclined to post pictures (I am not and do not), every picture of a restored car would display one of my signs. They add nothing to the image of the car, but they satisfy my friend's request for year and model identification and source of the picture. BTW, I carry spare blank placards and a felt tip marker if the car has no year/model information on it. Also, ALL of these pictures are delivered as color prints from film.

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Sep 28, 2014 05:38:21   #
Randolph Loc: Medway, UK
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured it was a good opportunity to practise some night time techniques using only manual mode. This is thanks to you all for recommending reading Understanding Exposure. I was a A type person before. To keep things simple used a prime 35.

So I taking pictures of the colorful rides and the folks having fun at the carnival. I was politely stopped by the police and was asked what I was doing. Simply told them taking pictures of the event. They said some of the parents had complained about me.



WOW...this happens to other folks. We had a brief discussion. One officer said if I wasn't with my SO, he would have asked to me leave. I told him I would stop taking pictures of people and focus on objects. He seemed to be ok with that. It was not too long after that we did leave anyways.

This got me thinking, no doubt it was a mother that got freaked out. What did that one person think a pedophile or some other malcontent was going to do with the pictures of the their kids in an evil way. As a parent not sure how I would have reacted (my kids are grown up and I don't have to worry about stuff like this). Is this simply something they have seen or read in the news that should be reported and action taken on or do they have valid reasons to react this way.

Just wonderin

Willie
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured ... (show quote)

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Sep 28, 2014 05:52:42   #
kapekodder Loc: A sandspit in the East&#128513;
 
A couple years back, I was photographing along the Cape Cod Canal on public property, near the Sandwich Marina and the power plant. This area includes the bike

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Sep 28, 2014 06:16:58   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Never thought of these problems. Recently photographed my granddaughter at her school's field day. Lot's of other kids there but nobody raised a question -- and I was using my big Canon DSLR (no perv I!). Lot's of other parents/grandparents taking pictures with cells and P&Ss. The only time I had a problem was in the Caribbean when I photographed an incoming boat and a deckhand threatened me. Nearby cop told him to buzz off. I don't carry and have used my wits to deal with mugger, etc.

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Sep 28, 2014 06:18:37   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured it was a good opportunity to practise some night time techniques using only manual mode. This is thanks to you all for recommending reading Understanding Exposure. I was a A type person before. To keep things simple used a prime 35.

So I taking pictures of the colorful rides and the folks having fun at the carnival. I was politely stopped by the police and was asked what I was doing. Simply told them taking pictures of the event. They said some of the parents had complained about me.

WOW...this happens to other folks. We had a brief discussion. One officer said if I wasn't with my SO, he would have asked to me leave. I told him I would stop taking pictures of people and focus on objects. He seemed to be ok with that. It was not too long after that we did leave anyways.

This got me thinking, no doubt it was a mother that got freaked out. What did that one person think a pedophile or some other malcontent was going to do with the pictures of the their kids in an evil way. As a parent not sure how I would have reacted (my kids are grown up and I don't have to worry about stuff like this). Is this simply something they have seen or read in the news that should be reported and action taken on or do they have valid reasons to react this way.

Just wonderin

Willie
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured ... (show quote)


It's a messed up world out there. The world has a lot of "nuts" in it. We had a pedophile in the family and never in a million years would I have recognized it. He was always taking pictures of the young girls in the family. I mean these are girls around six years old. My wife had him pegged immediately but I kept saying no he doesn't look like that kind of guy, but I was wrong. These people are despicable and there is not a hole deep enough to bury these freaks. Now every time someone wants to take a picture of their kids the parents get nervous, and I don't blame them.

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Sep 28, 2014 06:20:37   #
ras422 Loc: Virginia
 
Erv and David thank you for your service! Rich :thumbup:

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Sep 28, 2014 06:38:53   #
Camerabuff Loc: Liverpool UK
 
I have had the same problem, now I carry a card with parts of http://www.urban75.org/photos/photographers-rights-and-the-law.html
This document on.

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Sep 28, 2014 06:49:43   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Suggestion to all. Carry a laminated card with your photo, Camera Club affiliation, ours gives us an "independent Press" card. On that card it refers to DOJ letter indicating our rights. The letter warns officers to not violate our rights protected under the law.
file:///c:/Users/admin/Documents/PHOTO%20DOJ%20PHOTO%20OK%205-12.pdf

Much as Camerabuff above suggested, but for USA.

As PhotoArtsLA said on this page, Private Property is different. In FL several years ago, the off his med Governor passed a law saying that you can not photograph farm property even if you are on public property (roadway) ... it was a Felony!! That law was overturned by FL supreme court.

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Sep 28, 2014 07:01:29   #
alawry Loc: Timaru New Zealand
 
Well done. I like a saying, "No strangers here, only friend I haven't met yet. "

DavidPine wrote:
I attended a polo practice session recently in Dripping Springs, TX. to watch my son and grandson practice. There happened to be a young girls team also practicing (12-16). I have my big camera, of course, and I saw a group of parents watching. I walked over to them and simply told them that I am an amateur photographer and I would like to make shots of anything that caught my interest and wanted to know if anyone had an objection. They thanked me and told me to make myself at home. I do think when youngsters are involved that photographers, today, should consider the circumstances and act accordingly. I ask for permission often and I have never been told no.
I attended a polo practice session recently in Dri... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Sep 28, 2014 07:26:45   #
tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured it was a good opportunity to practise some night time techniques using only manual mode. This is thanks to you all for recommending reading Understanding Exposure. I was a A type person before. To keep things simple used a prime 35.

So I taking pictures of the colorful rides and the folks having fun at the carnival. I was politely stopped by the police and was asked what I was doing. Simply told them taking pictures of the event. They said some of the parents had complained about me.

WOW...this happens to other folks. We had a brief discussion. One officer said if I wasn't with my SO, he would have asked to me leave. I told him I would stop taking pictures of people and focus on objects. He seemed to be ok with that. It was not too long after that we did leave anyways.

This got me thinking, no doubt it was a mother that got freaked out. What did that one person think a pedophile or some other malcontent was going to do with the pictures of the their kids in an evil way. As a parent not sure how I would have reacted (my kids are grown up and I don't have to worry about stuff like this). Is this simply something they have seen or read in the news that should be reported and action taken on or do they have valid reasons to react this way.

Just wonderin

Willie
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured ... (show quote)


This is probably the same parent that doesn't think anything about taking pictures of the same kids with a phone IN their house and posting them on facebook. Not knowing that that picture is not only there for anybody to lift ,but better yet they have just posted along with that picture the exact location where this child is living. Makes sense to me. DUH.

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Sep 28, 2014 07:28:39   #
al davis Loc: chesterfield virginia
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured it was a good opportunity to practise some night time techniques using only manual mode. This is thanks to you all for recommending reading Understanding Exposure. I was a A type person before. To keep things simple used a prime 35.

So I taking pictures of the colorful rides and the folks having fun at the carnival. I was politely stopped by the police and was asked what I was doing. Simply told them taking pictures of the event. They said some of the parents had complained about me.

WOW...this happens to other folks. We had a brief discussion. One officer said if I wasn't with my SO, he would have asked to me leave. I told him I would stop taking pictures of people and focus on objects. He seemed to be ok with that. It was not too long after that we did leave anyways.

This got me thinking, no doubt it was a mother that got freaked out. What did that one person think a pedophile or some other malcontent was going to do with the pictures of the their kids in an evil way. As a parent not sure how I would have reacted (my kids are grown up and I don't have to worry about stuff like this). Is this simply something they have seen or read in the news that should be reported and action taken on or do they have valid reasons to react this way.

Just wonderin

Willie
Last night I went to a local carnival and figured ... (show quote)


I had a similar thing happen to me also. I was downtown Richmond a few years ago taking some night shots of some of the buildings and lit up at knight. At one particular building I was approached by security guards. The first security guard approached me with a very strong attitude. He said to me do not take another picture! I gave him a look I would have given my children when they needed to be repremanded for doing something wrong. The second guard picked up on this look and decided on a very different approach. He asked me what I was using the pictures for and then asked me if he could see them. I decided to humor his request. I had about 6 buildings I was interested in photographing. I was showing the guard the pictures his buddy was standing with his arms crossed displaying attitude. Now I can deal with a little attitude but being constant gets under my skin. I then said to the guard I was showing the pictures to I need to show you something else I need to get in my bag. He was ok with that. With surprise to both guards I got out this letter from the president of the management company who was in charge of these buildings saying I had permission to photograph these buildings of course the letter was on company letterhead and signed by her. Guard one attitude changed instantly. I have been back since then to photograph these buildings again during the holiday season with no problems. I had the last laugh on this one.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Sep 28, 2014 07:40:58   #
docphoto Loc: Illinois
 
craggycrossers wrote:
It's a "sign of our times", I'm afraid, Willie. Happened to me too in Old Market Square, which is effectively the city centre of Nottingham. I was "approached", in a very civil manner by two young (no more than 30yrs) "Community Protection Officers". They look like police, but don't have the same levels of power.

I wasn't even taking pics of kids ...... there were just great, colourful, photo opps in all the rides etc, and it was "twilight". I was asked much the same as you, was totally baffled by the fact that they'd even approached me, and was given much the same reasons as you. Needless to say I had an "interesting" conversation with these two about "modern folk (especially certain young mothers) jumping more quickly to negative conclusions and becoming more immediately suspicious of middle-aged men with cameras !" They readily agreed with me, but only AFTER our little chat.

Old Market Square is regularly use for all sorts of communal events, many of which provide photo opps. You live and learn. I, too, avoid taking pics of children.

Sign of the times, dear chap ...... !
It's a "sign of our times", I'm afraid, ... (show quote)


I totally understand about taking pictures of public places with children or adults.
Many times people will ask if I will take pictures of the "little ones" playing soccer or baseball, I'm talking about 5-8 yr olds. (they do make the cutest photos)...however, I have my own rules too. (1) I Always make sure the parents that asked me to take the photos are there. (2) I always have two cameras, one on a monopod ( my 400 2.8. AF-s or 600 4.0 AF-s ( or smaller a lens if its indoor like basketball,) and a second camera around my neck with a wide angle zoom, usually 24-74 2.8 (3) my Press pass around my neck even though I am not shooting for a magazine/ press at the the time. . I do this a lot not because of showing off my big lens. ...but because it puts people's mind at ease. Many, many times they will ask, " who are you shooting for" I say I am a freelance photographer and mr. jones asked me to take pictures of his/her children playing ball." That's when they say "would you take picture of my "little Johnny" and how much do you charge." (which I never do). Even at some local events, I wear a Press/Media badge which obtained as a "stringer" for some local magazines. Having two cameras around your neck and wearing your hat backwards and "smiling" and going up to the local police or event officials and say I'm so and so I' m here shooting this event, any problems ?" I've never had a problem...(knock on wood) But this is what I have learned over years of of taking photos and asking the real professionals who do it for a living,ie news photojournalist, sports photographers etc.
In my other profession, I do hear the horror stories. Asking permission, handing out business cards and a smile always helps.
Sorry for the rant

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Sep 28, 2014 07:49:16   #
David Kay Loc: Arlington Heights IL
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Me too. Simply put, people are unfairly suspicious of big cameras. I accept it; but, it is a shame because most of us just like to take pictures, and have no bad intent.


You would think they would be more suspicious of camera phones. Easy to conceal that you are taking photos. Hard to be inconspicuous with a DSLR and a tripod. LOL. It really is difficult to hide a DSLR in your shirt pocket.

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