Canon vs. Nikon (Page 4): At the end of the day, it's not what you shoot with

Larryb Loc: Burlington, Ontario

At the end of the day, it's not what you shoot with - it's what you shoot at!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larryb Loc: Burlington, Ontario

At the end of the day, it's not what you shoot with - it's what you shoot at!!!!!!!!!!!!

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

wj cody wrote:

all craft has limitation. to think otherwise is an... (show quote)

During the time I attended Purdue Univ, they had a fairly good football team; from the student section I got a good view of the scoreboard as in an average season Purdue would win 8 games, lose 2 games, and tie 1/4 (in other words, they tied once in the four years); Purdue also won a Rose Bowl and had a 3-1 record against Notre Dame, including two times when Notre Dame came into the game ranked #1 and left the ranking behind. However we got a better view of the upper sides of flying birds than of the action on the field (and Purdue was the ninth largest Big-10 school - we pitied the Michigan students and their truly enormous stadium).

After some time off, I arrived at Indiana University around the same time that Bobby Knight did, and I was there as the basketball team lost a total of one game in two years; however, my view was probably worse than my view of Purdue's football team.

You are correct that in those daze, when all I had as a poor student was a range-finder film camera, I didn't have telephoto, but I certainly yearned for it, and I certainly don't view those as "good old days" in that sense.

When I look at cameras these days, one of my first question is "how much telephoto can I get?" because I don't want to take too many more pictures like those below!

Purdue football from good student seats (cropped)

here I'm even with football scoreboard

IU basketball from typical student seat (above the flag!)

TheDman Loc: USA

rehess wrote:

During the time I attended Purdue Univ, they had a... (show quote)

oh, but if you just mastered your craft more, you could get closer!

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

TheDman wrote:

oh, but if you just mastered your craft more, you could get closer!

And, if he were the quarterback, closer still!
Plus get dates!!! :lol: :lol:
SS

steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA

I believe that Elvis has left the building...

dynaquest1 Loc: Austin, Texas

wj cody wrote:

all craft has limitation. to think otherwise is an illusion. prior to the advent of digital image making and its ubiquitous zoom lens fetish, fully 95 percent of all photographs were taken with normal lenses; 50mm in 35mm format, 80mm in 120mm format. you may wish to consult the nikon, canon and e leitz (leica) historical societies.

habits, unfortunately, have changed. digital image makers no longer are able to move; among photographers (film) that is considered a functional disability. true macro work is done with a normal lens, bellows mounted, on a tripod. the greatly dismissed nikkor 50mm f2.0 lens, exhibiting flat field, edge to edge, is greatly prized among knowledgeable photographers (film).

landscape photography (film) does not require a wide angle lens, it never did. wide angle lenses are considered only for certain specific applications, given their inablilty to reproduce images in a flat field.

sports photography requires only that you study the discipline which you want to cover and move along the field, or station yourself where the most interesting participation occurrs.

in portrait photography e leitz wetzlar (leica - the people who invented 35mm photography (film), long considered the diagonal of a piece of 35mm film and the distance, including depth of field and lastly angle of view; their findings were lenses of 50-58mm were the best choice for facial portraits.

with the advent of digital image making there has been a dearth of fundamental pictorial knowledge. regardless of changes in electronics, machinery and market, these basics are immutable. they don't change.

i would highly recommend to all who wish to enter any image making craft, if you can even find it, David Vestal's bible of photography - the name of the book is "The Craft of Photography".

and if you don't think it's as important today as it was when first published, you and i will continue to be subjected to well exposed mediocre images which all look alike, say nothing and are instantly forgettable.

all craft has limitation. to think otherwise is an... (show quote)

Just wondering the point of your post. Seems to have had nothing to do with the original question. Oh....capital letters at the beginning of sentences would be nice.

K_Duncan Loc: Whiteville, NC

S62242 wrote:

Trying to understand the specifics and not Ford vs. Chevy type thing. I need to now which is better in clearer sharper pictures. I am looking at the Nikon D5300 and not sure what the Canon equivalent is.

Welcome!
Either will make you a good camera. There are also other companies besides Nikon and Canon that make a fine camera. It usually depends on what you like and then you become used to that brand. I shoot Nikon because that's what I got started on, I would imagine it's the same with a lot of other users. Here is a site where you can compare cameras. Good luck with whatever you choose. :)

http://snapsort.com/compare

blackest Loc: Ireland

dynaquest1 wrote:

Just wondering the point of your post. Seems to have had nothing to do with the original question. Oh....capital letters at the beginning of sentences would be nice.

Just wondering the point of your post? Seems to have had nothing to do with the original question. Oh....Question marks at the end of sentences which are questions would be nice. :)

AndyCE Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

S62242 wrote:

Trying to understand the specifics and not Ford vs. Chevy type thing. I need to now which is better in clearer sharper pictures. I am looking at the Nikon D5300 and not sure what the Canon equivalent is.

Welcome to the forum! I have the D5200, and am very happy with it. As others have posted find a shop that will let you play with the different makes and models. The only reasons I picked the 5200 was it was in my price range, but (at least for me) it felt right in my hands. I liked the layout, the controls, and the menus. Good luck, and have fun!
Andy

Zone-System-Grandpa Loc: Springfield, Ohio

wj cody wrote:

all craft has limitation. to think otherwise is an illusion. prior to the advent of digital image making and its ubiquitous zoom lens fetish, fully 95 percent of all photographs were taken with normal lenses; 50mm in 35mm format, 80mm in 120mm format. you may wish to consult the nikon, canon and e leitz (leica) historical societies.

habits, unfortunately, have changed. digital image makers no longer are able to move; among photographers (film) that is considered a functional disability. true macro work is done with a normal lens, bellows mounted, on a tripod. the greatly dismissed nikkor 50mm f2.0 lens, exhibiting flat field, edge to edge, is greatly prized among knowledgeable photographers (film).

landscape photography (film) does not require a wide angle lens, it never did. wide angle lenses are considered only for certain specific applications, given their inablilty to reproduce images in a flat field.

sports photography requires only that you study the discipline which you want to cover and move along the field, or station yourself where the most interesting participation occurrs.

in portrait photography e leitz wetzlar (leica - the people who invented 35mm photography (film), long considered the diagonal of a piece of 35mm film and the distance, including depth of field and lastly angle of view; their findings were lenses of 50-58mm were the best choice for facial portraits.

with the advent of digital image making there has been a dearth of fundamental pictorial knowledge. regardless of changes in electronics, machinery and market, these basics are immutable. they don't change.

i would highly recommend to all who wish to enter any image making craft, if you can even find it, David Vestal's bible of photography - the name of the book is "The Craft of Photography".

and if you don't think it's as important today as it was when first published, you and i will continue to be subjected to well exposed mediocre images which all look alike, say nothing and are instantly forgettable.

all craft has limitation. to think otherwise is an... (show quote)

We can agree on one thing and that would be that most people today with digital cameras concentrate more on their equipment and less on how to properly use it for making quality photographs worthy of keeping. Most people today are snapshot shooters and few if any of their offerings would ever be classified as being competition level photographs worthy of hanging in a gallery, but for you to assume that even a few of us in the minority have not experienced the usage of a bellows with true macro photography (and my preference when using a bellows has always been a true achromatic lens free of aberrations which a standard fixed 50mm lens is not), you would be wrong ! Too, you seem to have overlooked the possibility that some of us have had complex, full sized darkrooms whereby we had once processed 4"x5" and 8"x10" sheet film and that we had mounted cold light heads upon our enlargers.. In addition, we had retro-fixed large sheet film holders and expensive Schneider or Goertz Dagor lenses upon our enlargers which had been lenses dating back to the good old days of Ansel Adams and his sidekick, Weston..

As for me, I'd once taught classes in Darkroom techniques with Zone System principles, I've won best of show and gold medals in International salon competitions, but I have also learned to adapt to the new age of digital photography just as I've learned to appreciate our new Toyota Avalon & our one year old Jeep Grand Cherokee.. Of course, like most all of us, I'd found that, even though the Model T Ford is a classic, people don't drive them today, they've moved on to modern times and far better appreciate that which we have at our disposal for driving today, however; if you are caught up in the past, which you seem to be, perhaps, it's time for you to move on

It would be nice if you would post some of your works for all of us to see, (You know, your best stuff) and if you will do this, I will follow and do the same.. Then, let's see which one of us has mastered our craft ! OK ?? 8-)

wj cody Loc: springfield illinois

TheDman wrote:

This may shock you but... they don't let you on the field.

this may shock you, but i did not say "on the field", rather "along the field".
entirely different.

wj cody Loc: springfield illinois

lacking experience and the history of photography, your response is not unexpected.

TheDman Loc: USA

wj cody wrote:

this may shock you, but i did not say "on the field", rather "along the field".
entirely different.

In order to get close to the action with your 50mm lens, you'll need to be on the field. Fields can be big.

Zone-System-Grandpa Loc: Springfield, Ohio

wj cody wrote:

lacking experience and the history of photography, your response is not unexpected.

Knowing history as you claim to know, is nice, but what one does with lessons learned from history, is proof in the pudding. So, how about sharing some of your masterpieces with us ~ being that you have mastered your craft ~ Or did the dog eat your homwork ? If you will share with us a few of your masterpieces, I certainly will reciprocate with several of mine ! Come on, send us some of your best stuff 8-) ~~~~ Best stuff now, and don't hold back on us ;)