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Sep 20, 2014 08:28:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
usaellie101 wrote:
I have a Nikon D5100. I have the camera set to take shots in both Raw and JPEG.
I honestly cannot see a difference in the shots .
Can someone explain - in non technical English what the difference is?

Thank you

I understand your confusion. It seems to me that raw is good if a shot wasn't properly exposed. Otherwise, JPEG can be processed to get good images.

One advantage of raw is the lens correction feature in Lightroom. The program knows what lens took the shot and makes corrections.

I just shot NEF and JPEG for a week on Cape Cod, and the cards fill up fast.

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Sep 20, 2014 08:58:50   #
h1h1d4mje
 
Jpeg is processed in the camera. Raw allows you to process in software and get many more effects.

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Sep 20, 2014 09:03:49   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Db7423 wrote:
If you are happy throwing away two-thirds of the data your camera is designed to capture stick with your JPEG image. If not shoot and process RAW. ;)


Did you really mean 2/3rds? I have never read that before - or are you perhaps comparing uncompressed file size with compressed file size? which is a different matter. To give you a better idea of what I say, convert one of your RAWs to TIFF and then compare the sizes. :-)

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Sep 20, 2014 09:07:45   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I understand your confusion. It seems to me that raw is good if a shot wasn't properly exposed. Otherwise, JPEG can be processed to get good images.

One advantage of raw is the lens correction feature in Lightroom. The program knows what lens took the shot and makes corrections.

I just shot NEF and JPEG for a week on Cape Cod, and the cards fill up fast.


Interesting with L/R - does it not do things with JPGs?

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Sep 20, 2014 09:23:27   #
jimni2001 Loc: Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
 
Delderby wrote:
Did you really mean 2/3rds? I have never read that before - or are you perhaps comparing uncompressed file size with compressed file size? which is a different matter. To give you a better idea of what I say, convert one of your RAWs to TIFF and then compare the sizes. :-)


Camera raw file size is typically 2–6 times larger than a JPEG file size depending on the camera and sensor. TIFF is not jpg and is a much larger uncompressed file.

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Sep 20, 2014 09:36:34   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Hello all - with recent threads being similar to this one I determined to become more knowledgeable and proficient in RAW PP, so that I could make up my own mind on the subject of RAW v JPG. Well I am developing RAWs but have had to shoot pics with purposely blown highlights or underexposed etc to find things to recover. And yes - in such circumstances RAW can have a marginal advantage - but nothing to get too excited about. The fact remains that if the exposure is good to start with, then I can do as well by using layers. I have certainly enjoyed using a high pass filter for clever sharpening as well as unsharp mask, and I shall continue to develop RAWs. Suddenly my pics have improved punch and are certainly not flat. But that is down to adjusting after conversion.

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Sep 20, 2014 09:47:15   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Delderby wrote:
Interesting with L/R - does it not do things with JPGs?

The first shot below is NEF. That is a list of possible lens choices I got when I clicked on "Nikon."

Below that is a JPEG shot, with the choices available. LR guessed that it might be the Nikon 14-24mm lens.

If I leave it alone in NEF, it picks the correct lens - the one used to take the shot.





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Sep 20, 2014 09:51:21   #
Bill Houghton Loc: New York area
 
Racmanaz wrote:
If you are shooting it all in camera jpg and you are fine with it, then you don't need to have raw files. There will be a time when raw files will be a thing of the past because jpg or a new file format will be so good you will not tell the difference. :)


I am a JPEG advocate, but the first off, the JPEG format file hasn't changed. What has changed is the file Megapixels and the depth of color prescription in each pixel, giving you a lot more wiggle room then in the past.

You will find over time, which format is the right choice for your shooting conditions to fit you and your camera. I find when working with lower lighting conditions, like a gym or even shooting I will go with RAW. Out side or good light I'll go with JPEG.

Yesterday day I was at a balloon festival. Taking over 500 shots. All in JPEG. If I did in RAW I would be another four hours on the computer time making the corrections to make it look like a JPEG anyway.

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Sep 20, 2014 10:07:29   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The first shot below is NEF. That is a list of possible lens choices I got when I clicked on "Nikon."

Below that is a JPEG shot, with the choices available. LR guessed that it might be the Nikon 14-24mm lens.

If I leave it alone in NEF, it picks the correct lens - the one used to take the shot.


Thanks for the reply - LR has to be a great prog. I thought that DXO was the only way to get that sort of power. :)

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Sep 20, 2014 12:21:25   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Delderby wrote:
Hello all - with recent threads being similar to this one I determined to become more knowledgeable and proficient in RAW PP, so that I could make up my own mind on the subject of RAW v JPG. Well I am developing RAWs but have had to shoot pics with purposely blown highlights or underexposed etc to find things to recover. And yes - in such circumstances RAW can have a marginal advantage - but nothing to get too excited about. The fact remains that if the exposure is good to start with, then I can do as well by using layers. I have certainly enjoyed using a high pass filter for clever sharpening as well as unsharp mask, and I shall continue to develop RAWs. Suddenly my pics have improved punch and are certainly not flat. But that is down to adjusting after conversion.
Hello all - with recent threads being similar to t... (show quote)

If you are adjusting a 16-bit tiff after conversion, you have more to work with than if you are adjusting a SOOC jpeg, so that is still an advantage of saving and using the raw file.

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Sep 20, 2014 12:31:21   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Uuglypher wrote:
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Hi, usaellie;

To keep it simple let's envision a B&W image.

You are to replicate that image with maximum accurate detail using one of three available collections of square tiles. Those collections differ only in the number of shades of gray between black and white.

these are the three unlimited supplies of square tiles; we'll call those three sets:
8-bit JPEG image file data
12-bit RAW image data, and
16-bit RAW image data

8-bit JPEG image file: black, white, and 254 shades of gray between B&W

12-bit RAW data: black, white, and 4096 shades of gray in between B&W

14-bit RAW data: black, white, and 16,384 shades of gray in between B&W


Which selection of image tiles would you choose to use to render maximum accurate detail?

That's the bottom line basis upon which decisions are made regarding use of 8-bit JPEG, 12-bit RAW, and 14-bit RAW image data.

(the differences based on numbers of available colors are even more impressive!)

Dave in SD
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Here's what I don't understand, Dave. 16 Bit actually (RAW) provides 16.8 million colors. 256 cubed. Here's my question. What happens to all those wonderful colors once the photo is converted to jpeg? Aren't they lost?

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Sep 20, 2014 12:38:39   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
usaellie101 wrote:
I have a Nikon D5100. I have the camera set to take shots in both Raw and JPEG.
I honestly cannot see a difference in the shots .
Can someone explain - in non technical English what the difference is?

Thank you


From an even more simple and basic perspective than I used yesterday...if you can't tell the difference between your JPEG and RAW captures when viewed in the manner you normally view them and for the purposes for which you make your images,then stick with JPEGS.
Now THAT's about as non-technical as I can muster!
Enjoy your practice of photography without worrying about a decision it's evident you really don't need to worry about!

Best regards,
Dave in SD

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Sep 20, 2014 12:46:32   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
usaellie101 wrote:
I have a Nikon D5100. I have the camera set to take shots in both Raw and JPEG.
I honestly cannot see a difference in the shots .
Can someone explain - in non technical English what the difference is?

Thank you


I have a friend who shoots RAW only. I never shoot RAW for the same reason, I can't see the difference. There are those who swear by shooting RAW and that's fine but for me I get the results I want with very little (if any) PP with my Canon t3i

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Sep 20, 2014 12:46:58   #
usaellie101 Loc: Spring Hill, Florida
 
Thank you for taking the time to write all this. IT was helpful.

blackest wrote:
Raw is the raw data which is used to produce a jpg file. You probably have seen there are different types of jpegs that your camera can produce such as vibrant or portrait or black & white or even line drawing.
when you save a jpeg a preset is applied and the image can have 1 of several looks to the image.

lets say you pick a black & white preset for the jpeg (and your camera will have a range of presets for black & white at the least digital filters).

you now have a black & white image but suppose you think that could look better in colour, well just having the jpeg file you can't produce a colour image now because the colour information has been lost.

Or perhaps you shot an indoor photo under artificial light peoples faces might appear red or even worse have a green cast to them because the white balance was wrong. Our eyes are quite strange they adjust the image automatically to see things the right colour, but the camera faithfully records the colours it see's.

However the Raw file has all the information that was recorded when you took the photograph. So this information can be processed differently so instead of a black & white jpeg you can have a colour one or you can select a white balance to correct for the type of light that it recorded. A sunset setting for instance will show the vivid colours you saw.

I think canon photo professional for example can adjust the raw file to any of your camera's settings and more. The more bit is where it gets complicated.

Some adjustments can be attempted from a jpeg file for example converting colour to black & white (but not the reverse) or trying to fix a colour cast from artificial lighting, however given the option from starting from raw or starting from a jpeg file the raw file will always be the better starting point.

With presets such as in canon photo professional your jpegs will be the equal of any in camera jpeg your camera can produce, with programs such as lightroom or photoshop they can be better, or worse much worse :) but if you persist and learn how to control these programs you can produce excellent results.

While it is always best to get it right in camera, some things can't be fixed without some post processing, E.g lens corrections are a brilliant advance which can remove lens distortions and colour fringing, for example.
Raw is the raw data which is used to produce a jpg... (show quote)

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Sep 20, 2014 12:50:00   #
usaellie101 Loc: Spring Hill, Florida
 
Yes I do agree ...seems shooting in RAW only does slow things down when aiming at animals.
Thank you for helping me understand this more. I am a beginner of sorts with no money to buy more lens.....darn.

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