lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

Good idea, but I'd fix the white balance before you print it out if I were you.

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

Nah. LOL. I've written this one off as unsalvagable. This was at 12:26 a.m. and beyond the reach of my flash. :-(

Here's the original (I think).

750 crazy people running 5K in the middle of the night. Long story.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

Sometimes, even a mediocre resurrection can provide a memory of a fun time. It's no wallhanger, but:

MW

D7200 and from time to time a V1.

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

Since you're helping him with his math skills, let me help you with your reading skills too. He didn't say the "difference" was $6,000. He didn't use the word "difference" at all. He said one was $360 and the other is $6,000. He doesn't want to spend $6,000 so he spends $360 instead.

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

Ah, but... he did say "if I had an extra $6,000", which would strongly imply an "extra $6000" over the $360 he's spent. So I still claim to be ahead by at least two out of three points. :twisted: :P :P :P

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

And $6,000 - $360 = $5,640, not $6,000!!!!!

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

That's one way to look at it. Or as he stands over a pile of photos to be framed, he could say to himself, "Well... with the pre-made standard frame size for 8X10s method I'll spend $360. With this other custom-framing method I'd spend $6,000. I think I'll choose the $360 route." with no concern about calculating what the "difference" is but just the logical conclusion that one is far less than the other. His budget can't endure a $6,000 investment but it will endure a $360 investment. Choice made - no "difference" calculation required.

I did family portraits of my family on Monday (12 second self-timer is invaluable) and I've sized the files for 11X14. I can now have Costco print them on 11X14 paper, I can buy a mass marketed nice frame with a cut matte already in it to fit an 11X14 and I'll spend about $10 per print for the frames. Assembly time - 10 minutes each. Done.

I may make an 8X10 of a couple of them by resizing the files and pick up a couple $6 frames with mattes for them as well.

When I show those photos to friends I don't required the ability to say, "Why yas, OF COURSE I went to Nigeria myself and cut the tree this frame was built from, shaved the bark off myself and let the trees dry for 3 full years before having my interior carpenter friend use an extra-fine table saw blade with diamond tipped teeth to cut the side pieces, sand them by hand, glue and tattoo the custom miter cut corners with the finest glue from Arabian horses, then clamp them perfectly square with clamps that have digital angle meters and adjusters to dry for 42.7 days as recommended by the glue manufacturer. The mattes are acid free, perfect thickness across the whole surface to within .001 inch, and an architectural designer picked the matte color from a selection of 1,235 shades to compliment my home interior paint scheme. The print was done by WalMart."

The point being that if you think in terms of standard paper sizes while shooting your subjects, you don't have to go into the expense and hassle of buying, building, and cutting odd sized frames and mattes. If you use your excess camera resolution to allow yourself space around all edges to crop to the standard paper sizes because you post-edit anyway - then life is much easier and framing is much cheaper.

I suspect those who don't, won't, or can't post-edit are likely the biggest opponents of printing to standard size papers and standard size frames.

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

And the biggest opponents of printing to non-standard sizes.

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

How do you figure? It requires post editing to get to today's standard sizes other than 4X6 (such as 5X7, 8X10, 16X20, 20X24) when you're using a 3/2 (2/3) sensor - unless you can eye different sizes up precisely during composition and have a really sharp paper slicing table blade.

I'll be back tomorrow. It's 3 am on this coast and I feel like a member of the slow creeping Walking Dead herd that fast driving hunted living humans can't seem to outrun for some unknown reason...

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

But, if i wanted to reframe them, I would be back to an additional 6,000 with 360 in sunk costs.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

I am suprised the start was not better lit. I shoot between 10-12 races a year and the start area is always well lit. Of course they are mostly marathons, which may have a bigger budget and draw more press coverage and, therefore, better lighting. However, I have done my share of 5 and 10K runs as well. Since they are shorter runs they usually start after sunrise.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

I think the D7200 has a grid lines option in one of the menus. I am not sure the right and left lines are accurate for 8x10 but they might be close enought to use as a rough guide. Don't know about the V1.

Any Nikon users out there that can help?

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

MW probably meant D7100. ;-) Back on page 3 of this thread I posted a pic of what Nikon call "framing guides" on a D3100 and the D7100 has the same live view option. Not much help for planning cropping though.

OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR

Since we're way off topic anyway, I did say it's a long story, but here it is, The Charley Melvin Mad Bomber Run For Your Life: http://www.madbomberrun.com/

And how many marathons have a pre-race "drag race" where the winner is crowned "Drag Queen"? :XD: