Military pay increase (Page 3): You know our parents said the same thing.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

bemused_bystander wrote:

I see the kids of today, what the hell are their kids going to be like.

I shudder to think. Thank god I am so old that I will die soon.

You know our parents said the same thing.

bemused_bystander Loc: Orkney Islands, UK

I don't agree, when I was young, nobody, including the parents, acted the way they do today.
I was in the supermarket on mainland, a kid ran straight into the back of me, the mother said "Why don't you look where you are going!" I don't have eyes in the back of my head!!

letmedance wrote:

You know our parents said the same thing.

hopthecop Loc: salisbury md

toma1940 wrote:

The Navy guys seldom get things correct - go Air Force

that's what I was in...................

toma1940 Loc: Silicon Valley, CA

Yes re institute the draft or some sort of compulsory service to the Nation. The youth of today need to learn the value of being an American citizen. . .

hopthecop wrote:

that's what I was in...................

usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl

toma1940 wrote:

Yes re institute the draft or some sort of compulsory service to the Nation. The youth of today need to learn the value of being an American citizen. . .

That's about as likely as term limits. But I do agree, a lot go the young people need the discipline military life provides.

BW326 Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida

toma1940 wrote:

Yes re institute the draft or some sort of compulsory service to the Nation. . .

It would be a massive undertaking but I believe it would be well worth it. Assuming that we could do something like that, I think the country needs a program like this.

:thumbup:

New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida

toma1940 wrote:

Yes re institute the draft or some sort of compulsory service to the Nation. The youth of today need to learn the value of being an American citizen. . .

I cannot disagree with this enough.

I served for 20 years, and for the majority of that 20 years I served in a supervisory position.

One thing I always knew, but never had to think about, was that every single man who worked for me was in the military because he chose to be in the military.

If someone who would otherwise not choose military service is forced into uniform, well, I don't want that guy working for me...

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

I cannot disagree more. I was in for only 8 but during a time when 90% of the armed forces were draftees. Some did not want to be there but they were still devoted and professional Airmen. We won WWII with draftees.

New York Steve wrote:

I cannot disagree with this enough.

I served for 20 years, and for the majority of that 20 years I served in a supervisory position.

One thing I always knew, but never had to think about, was that every single man who worked for me was in the military because he chose to be in the military.

If someone who would otherwise not choose military service is forced into uniform, well, I don't want that guy working for me...

toma1940 Loc: Silicon Valley, CA

What years did you serve? There were many GI's that volunteered before the draft caught up to them. Many of the draftees accepted the fact there was compulsory service and served honorably and with distinction. A secondary benefit - they made real good employees in the corporate world.

New York Steve wrote:

I cannot disagree with this enough.

I served for 20 years, and for the majority of that 20 years I served in a supervisory position.

One thing I always knew, but never had to think about, was that every single man who worked for me was in the military because he chose to be in the military.

If someone who would otherwise not choose military service is forced into uniform, well, I don't want that guy working for me...

New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida

letmedance wrote:

I cannot disagree more. I was in for only 8 but during a time when 90% of the armed forces were draftees. Some did not want to be there but they were still devoted and professional Airmen. We won WWII with draftees.

We may have, but that was a different time.

Young folks back then didn't have the over-riding sense of entitlement that so many seem to have these days.

I understand that there will be those who disagree with me.

That's not nearly compelling enough for me to change my mind...

New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida

toma1940 wrote:

What years did you serve? There were many GI's that volunteered before the draft caught up to them. Many of the draftees accepted the fact there was compulsory service and served honorably and with distinction. A secondary benefit - they made real good employees in the corporate world.

I was in from 1981 until 2001.

And I'm not saying that every single draftee would be someone who wanted to be elsewhere. What I am saying is that only a small percentage could wreak havoc and, as a supervisor, that's not a concern I would want to have...

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

toma1940 wrote:

What years did you serve? There were many GI's that volunteered before the draft caught up to them. Many of the draftees accepted the fact there was compulsory service and served honorably and with distinction. A secondary benefit - they made real good employees in the corporate world.

1965-1973 and yes you are right, While still in Basic training my Draft notice arrived. Fortunately I joined the AF.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

My how the Military has changed, I guess because it is now a voluntary service. When one of my guys wreaked havoc he was dealt with quickly and severely.

New York Steve wrote:

I was in from 1981 until 2001.

And I'm not saying that every single draftee would be someone who wanted to be elsewhere. What I am saying is that only a small percentage could wreak havoc and, as a supervisor, that's not a concern I would want to have...

RichardQ Loc: Colorado

usnpilot wrote:

Last year the military received a 1 percent pay raise. The White House just recommended a 1 percent increase for 2014 even thought the inflation rate is 2 percent. While Congress can increase the amount, once again this shows the administrations disdain for the military.
And to all you liberals who are whining about increasing the minimum wage, I vote for a 1 percent increase. Wait, that may be too generous since none of them put their life on the line.

The various Congressional committees dealing with military matters see only generals and civilian consultants when they review financial requirements. I'd like to see a rearrangement of those procedures to include at least one public session a year with six enlisted men (from various services) both single and family, who are given an hour apiece to represent their views and concerns. I'll bet the media would cover that.

New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida

letmedance wrote:

My how the Military has changed, I guess because it is now a voluntary service. When one of my guys wreaked havoc he was dealt with quickly and severely.

I'm not talking about a guy trashing a work space or refusing to clean. I'm talking about a guy sabotaging multi-million dollar pieces of equipment.

Yeah, I saw that. It was a guy who was offered jail time or the military. Sure, he was dealt with, and harshly. But the result was that there was a multi-million dollar Sonar system that was trashed because of him, and it still had to be fixed...