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Jimmy Carter pushes US to recognize Hamas, slams Israel in op-ed
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Aug 7, 2014 10:20:39   #
kjfishman Loc: Fulton MO
 
Never liked his political views. I used to at least respect Jimmy Carter as a human being but I lost all respect for the man.

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Aug 7, 2014 10:21:34   #
raferrelljr Loc: CHARLOTTE, NC
 
kjfishman wrote:
Never liked his political views. I used to at least respect Jimmy Carter as a human being but I lost all respect for the man.


Ditto!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 7, 2014 10:22:12   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
PrinzEugen wrote:
These bastards have to be dealt with. The world would be so much more peaceful and safe if all muslim would no longer exist


Agreed! Much the same as we use Orkin to remove pests and vermin from our homes, we must also remove radical muslim terrorists from the world in the same way, EXTERMINATION!

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Aug 7, 2014 10:24:51   #
PrinzEugen Loc: Canada
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Agreed! Much the same as we use Orkin to remove pests and vermin from our homes, we must also remove radical muslim terrorists from the world in the same way, EXTERMINATION!


:thumbup: :evil: :thumbup: :evil: :thumbup: :evil: :thumbup:

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Aug 7, 2014 10:29:13   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
soba1 wrote:
How about I think all religons are the problem.
No one is more special than another.
Christians have killed tortured in the name of God as well.
Religion imo is the great divider........


However, inquisitions and crusades have been out of style for centuries. While some fundamentalist Christians may think that non believers are going to Hell, they are leaving it to God to make the travel arrangements

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Aug 7, 2014 10:32:01   #
motamanx Loc: Cape Cod
 
This thread has opened up a tirade of vitriol about stuff we really don't fully understand. Israel (it seems to me) is doing to Gaza what the US did to the American Indians in the 19th century. They have a sophisticated arsenal: planes, tanks, ammo, etc--largely funded by the US --and are using these weapons to continue to destabilize Gaza so that their illegal settlements can continue. Just as the US used repeating carbines and gatling guns agains the indians' bows and arrows. This isn't about the rockets (which have been completely ineffective) it is a land grab, an excuse to bomb the f**k out of Gaza to keep them from mounting a viable government. Israel hasn't been acting like the heroic little country we all admired in 1946. The whole mess was started by England and France after WW1, when they carved up the desert into "countries" in order to acquire access to the oil. And yes, religion is involved: Muslims and Christians have a long history of battling each other--remember the Crusades?--big victories on both sides during all of recorded history. Carter's appeal for peace in the region is admirable, not "weak" as some have alluded.

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Aug 7, 2014 10:32:22   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Agreed! Much the same as we use Orkin to remove pests and vermin from our homes, we must also remove radical muslim terrorists from the world in the same way, EXTERMINATION!


I doubt Hitler was as adamant toward exterminating the Jews.

I assume you are blind to the similarity of your views with those of Hitler?

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Aug 7, 2014 10:33:08   #
THEMRED7007
 
raferrelljr wrote:
Wow!! a whole thousand, Man oh man that speaks for a thousand not millions. Maybe they should go to Israel and stand in the streets instead of the bomb shelters when Hamas is sending rockets into them to kill them. They are as misguided as you are.


Agreed !
Carter should just tend to his peanuts, he can't muck them up like he did the world, and still does with his ?comments?...maybe the pesticides he used on his crops have sorely affected his ?brain?, and speech.

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Aug 7, 2014 10:40:05   #
pjferrante Loc: California and Missouri
 
Charlie44 wrote:
We might do well to consider the criticism of both Carter and Obama in the context of the personal attacks on Abraham Lincoln while he was in office.

Was Lincoln a Tyrant?
When Abraham Lincoln took office in March 1861, the executive branch was small and relatively limited in its power. By the time of his assassination, he had claimed more prerogatives than any president before him, and the executive branch had grown enormously.
Lincoln’s critics witnessed his expanding power with alarm. They accused him of becoming a tyrant and warned that his assertions of authority under the guise of “commander in chief” threatened the viability of a constitutional democracy.

Lincoln ignored his foes and kept moving. And, despite lingering discomfort with some of his actions – particularly around the issue of civil liberties – history has largely vindicated him. Why?

'Idiot,' 'Yahoo,' 'Original Gorilla': How Lincoln Was Dissed in His Day
By nearly any measure—personal, political, even literary—Abraham Lincoln set a standard of success that few in history can match. But how many of his contemporaries noticed?

Sure, we revere Lincoln today, but in his lifetime the bile poured on him from every quarter makes today’s Internet vitriol seem dainty. His ancestry was routinely impugned, his lack of formal learning ridiculed, his appearance maligned, and his morality assailed.

Northern newspapers openly called for his assassination long before John Wilkes Booth pulled the trigger. He was called a coward, “an idiot,” and “the original gorilla” by none other than the commanding general of his armies, George McClellan.

Members of Lincoln’s own Republican party reviled him as, in the words of Senator Zachariah Chandler of Michigan, “timid vacillating & inefficient.” A Republican newspaper editor in Wisconsin wrote, “The President and the Cabinet,—as a whole,—are not equal to the occasion.” The Ohio Republican William M. Dickson wrote in 1861 that Lincoln “is universally an admitted failure, has no will, no courage, no executive capacity … and his spirit necessarily infuses itself downwards through all departments.”

Lincoln had won the 1860 election in November with 39.8 percent of the popular vote. This absurdly low total was partly due to the fact that four candidates were on the ballot, but it remains the poorest showing by any winning presidential candidate in American history.
We might do well to consider the criticism of both... (show quote)


EXCELLENT! And I believe, very apt comparison to Carter and Obama. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 7, 2014 10:43:36   #
motamanx Loc: Cape Cod
 
Bush/Cheney have been the chief mucker-ups. They sucked all the good will, the optimism, the spirituality out of the US by their warlike activities, which gained nothing but a big paycheck for Cheney. Cheney is regarded worldwide as a criminal, and I concur with this assessment. Carter started Habitat, which homesteads living quarters for those who can't afford it, and helps countries with keeping their elections honest. Too bad he wasn't available when all those votes went missing in Florida.

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Aug 7, 2014 10:46:04   #
pjferrante Loc: California and Missouri
 
motamanx wrote:
This thread has opened up a tirade of vitriol about stuff we really don't fully understand. Israel (it seems to me) is doing to Gaza what the US did to the American Indians in the 19th century. They have a sophisticated arsenal: planes, tanks, ammo, etc--largely funded by the US --and are using these weapons to continue to destabilize Gaza so that their illegal settlements can continue. Just as the US used repeating carbines and gatling guns agains the indians' bows and arrows. This isn't about the rockets (which have been completely ineffective) it is a land grab, an excuse to bomb the f**k out of Gaza to keep them from mounting a viable government. Israel hasn't been acting like the heroic little country we all admired in 1946. The whole mess was started by England and France after WW1, when they carved up the desert into "countries" in order to acquire access to the oil. And yes, religion is involved: Muslims and Christians have a long history of battling each other--remember the Crusades?--big victories on both sides during all of recorded history. Carter's appeal for peace in the region is admirable, not "weak" as some have alluded.
This thread has opened up a tirade of vitriol abou... (show quote)


You are quite correct. It's too bad so many can't handle the truth! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 7, 2014 11:05:33   #
raferrelljr Loc: CHARLOTTE, NC
 
pjferrante wrote:
EXCELLENT! And I believe, very apt comparison to Carter and Obama. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Remember...........Lincoln was an arrogant lawyer from Illinois, ring a bell? Lincoln was a mass murderer who is responsible for more American deaths than any foreign leader or tyrannt. If he wanted to stop the WBTS all he had to do was remove the invading Federal army from the South. But he hated the south and wanted to punish them for seceeding and cutting of the money flow to Washington from taxes and tariffs that the north was not subject to.

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Aug 7, 2014 11:08:57   #
stephgc Loc: Texas
 
My response is, anyone that listens to Jimmy Carter either has a short memory or isn't old enough to remember when he was president. He was a total disaster easily the worst of my lifetime.

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Aug 7, 2014 11:09:07   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Agreed. Jimmy Carter was not a good steward of our country when he was POTUS, and the older he gets, it seems the loonier he gets. Sometimes I have to wonder if he and Harry Reid are related.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 7, 2014 11:09:47   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
larrypayne wrote:
It's all about Zionists committing genocide against Palestinians.
The people of the world are against it.

New York City, which has the largest Jewish population in the U.S., had over a thousand people turn out to protest Israel's slaughter in Gaza.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/yorkers-protest-israels.html


I am thinking that having 1000 people turn out to protest Israel in a city of 12 million doesn't say too much for the protesters. Perhaps their message is a bit weak.

May I ask how you would react if an aggressor or victim (depending on how you look at the situation) was to start shooting at your house with your family inside. I don't think you can deny that Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel can you? So no matter what side you are on, and we all know you are against Jews, what would you suggest for Israel to do? Surely you admit that it was Hamas that built tunnels from Gaza into Israel to murder Israelis. Cease fires are agreed upon and within minutes, Hamas fires rockets into Israel.

Change the two countries involved to France and England with the English firing rockets into France. Pick any two countries you like and use the same circumstances. Should one country be allowed to shoot rockets into another country with no penalty?

Dennis

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