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BrandyVSOP Loc: Oregon USA

Yes we were blessed with Alberto Vargas until 1982, but his hay-days were in the 40's.
The death of his wife Anna Mae in 1974 left him devastated and he stopped painting.

user2071 Loc: New England

fivedawgz wrote:

quote=XJoeyX quote=mgemstone I probably shouldn'... (show quote)

That was the Hayes Commission. You couldn't show a married couple in one bed, either. That's why all the TV shows and movies from 1930 to 1968 showed couples only in twin beds. There's a pretty good article in Wikipedia about it.

The rules were bizarre and their enforcement, which was done selectively and subjectively, was even MORE bizarre.

Speaking of movies, two directors to watch for remarkable cinematography: John Ford and Ingmar Bergman. They were also each other's greatest admirers and the similarity (despite very different subject matter etc.) of their cinematography wasn't accidental.

Both directors made movies in which every frame was a perfect photo. Imagine the intensity of doing that for every frame of a 2 hour movie.

brucew29 Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio

All I know is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. They also say that "Beauty is only skin deep"! From my experiences, Beauty may only be skin deep, but ugly can go all the way to the bone! :) :(

user2071 Loc: New England

brucew29 wrote:

All I know is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. They also say that "Beauty is only skin deep"! From my experiences, Beauty may only be skin deep, but ugly can go all the way to the bone! :) :(

I always wonder who THEY are. We quote them. We acknowledge them as authorities. But who ARE "they?" Maybe "they" are really us! :D

XJoeyX Loc: San Antonio, TX

Brandy wrote:

quote BUT. I will defend to the death the right o... (show quote)

You left out one of my all-time favorite artists, Frank Frazetta! Chris Achilleos, Luis Royo and Julie Bell are also great artists, and do a good bit of modern pin-up (though some is more in the sci-fi/fantasy genre). A point of interest in reference to Olivia is that she doesn't necessarily use live models, per se. She actually uses photographs of models shot by her photographer husband...

-XJoeyX

georgeedwards Loc: Essex, Md.

fivedawgz wrote:

I tried to formulate ... for my own purposes ... a definition of "art study" as it relates to the nude human form vs. "boudoir" photography vs. erotica ... and discovered that I actually couldn't make a clear distinction.

Without getting anyone into an uproar, IS there any definition? Or is the line between one thing and another so indistinct as to be meaningless?

I would say any nude qualifies as erotica even at its most non-revealing and unsuggestive positions, it is just an automatic human perception. Boudoir to me would indicate some form of suggestive clothing, but still could classified as erotica if it is posed suggestively.

XJoeyX Loc: San Antonio, TX

fivedawgz wrote:

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I can remember the I Love Lucy scenes where they had the two twin beds... it always sort of made me wonder how "little Ricky" ever came into being! hehehehe

Wow, if my math (and my calculator) serves me correctly, that's 24 frames per second X 60 seconds X 120 Minutes = 172,800 frames!! That's a LOT of pictures!

-XJoeyX

user2071 Loc: New England

XJoeyX wrote:

quote=fivedawgz br That was the Hayes Commission... (show quote)

My husband, the movie maven, says that Ford used in-place set ups. There would be many cameras in every location that he might need ... with a crew monitoring it. Nothing automated or left to chance. Ford carefully followed weather conditions too, so if he needed a storm, he got a storm. He collected sunsets and sunrises, reflections on water, wind, you name it.

Watch "The Searchers" and pause it anywhere: literally every frame is perfect.

Garry says when Ford shot in Monument Valley where a lot of his westerns were made, he had crews stationed everywhere that he was going to shoot to make sure that no photo op was missed. Expensive! Not a fast movie maker. I doubt anyone can afford to shoot like that now. Too costly.

XJoeyX Loc: San Antonio, TX

And now, they do most of it with green screens and CGI... <sigh> Watching movies nowadays, it's hard to know what you are seeing or even IF what you are seeing is real.

-XJoeyX

user2071 Loc: New England

XJoeyX wrote:

And now, they do most of it with green screens and CGI... <sigh> Watching movies nowadays, it's hard to know what you are seeing or even IF what you are seeing is real.

-XJoeyX

I think CGI is wonderful in its own way. But there is nothing like real cinematography done to perfection.

BrandyVSOP Loc: Oregon USA

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I think CGI is wonderful in its own way. But there is nothing like real cinematography done to perfection.

When you learn the tricks of the magician... there is no magic...

Some time back, I stumbled upon the makings of a movie having a large scene with bleachers filled with seats. In the movie it looked as if it was filled to capacity, every seat taken.

The "Magic Killer," was that they had to pay "Extras" $65.00 a day. But some smart person came up with the idea that if they used inflated dressed up dummies for $15.00 a day, they could accomplish the same thing.
They did discover that if they used all "dummies," the crowd was motionless and looked static. They came up with the idea that every third seat must have a live extra to give movement to the crowd...

Fast forward now to every crowd seen I see in a movie or on TV, and I think most of those are all just "dummies." The Magic... has gone.

docjoque Loc: SoCal

Almost anything can be considered art. It just depends on how simple or sick in the head you are. Even death and poverty can be romantic, and in Black & White they look like art.

If you think that Mapplethorpe's bullwhip up a rectum is art, then more power to you. If you think a Renoir is boring, the world will continue to turn. Just don't try to make my mind up for me.

rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA

There's one thing people seem to forget about American etiquette and "proper" behavior and presentations. Most of our culture and laws came over here during the British occupation of America long ago and we're traditionally stuck with them. Scandanavian countries don't share the British upper class points of view when it comes to nudity or clothing. Indeed, some of their consumer boxes show females posing in a bathtub with no top. Is that dirty? I guess that depends on one's own personal opinion.

BrandyVSOP Loc: Oregon USA

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You left out one of my all-time favorite artists, Frank Frazetta! Chris Achilleos, Luis Royo and Julie Bell are also great artists, and do a good bit of modern pin-up (though some is more in the sci-fi/fantasy genre). A point of interest in reference to Olivia is that she doesn't necessarily use live models, per se. She actually uses photographs of models shot by her photographer husband...

-XJoeyX

I left out quite a few to be sure, but felt I might be overstepping my new member status, by continuing my list. Julie Bell certainly I should have named. Thanks for adding those I left out, and the POI regarding Olivia. I tried life drawing once. I had no facility for it, so I'm stuck with taking pictures. But I don't know if they are art or something else... ;-}

XJoeyX Loc: San Antonio, TX

BrandyVSOP wrote:

I left out quite a few to be sure, but felt I might be overstepping my new member status, by continuing my list. Julie Bell certainly I should have named. Thanks for adding those I left out, and the POI regarding Olivia. I tried life drawing once. I had no facility for it, so I'm stuck with taking pictures. But I don't know if they are art or something else... ;-}

Hey, if your photography makes YOU happy, then that is all that really matters (unless, of course, you are trying to sell your photographs...).

-XJoeyX