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Aug 2, 2014 11:10:25   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
anotherview wrote:
...2. Camera Raw Filter. Photoshop now allows going from the Photoshop editor back to the Camera Raw Filter (Adobe Camera Raw) at any time during the editing process. One does not have to preserve the Smart Object status of a layer for this purpose. Nearly all the features and functions of ACR become available for applying to an image. This one improvement alone enhances the power and flexibility of Photoshop all the more...
This part is false. It was available in CS6. One had to use ACR and open 'as object'. It is NOT an new feature. When I saw some folks, touting this I was not happy at all as it was an outright lie. Terry white was one of those propagating this fallacy. The only difference is that it was a default vs an option.

Interestingly enough CC 2014 is back onto object open as option vs default.

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Aug 2, 2014 11:30:53   #
mldavis2
 
First, I have never heard of ANY software vendor "revoking" their license thus rendering their software unusable. Of course with Adobe leading the way, it is still possible, but they know all of us refusing to cough up monthly fees will drop them like a hot potato for more accommodating vendors.

Second, with boxed versions, I have the advantage of being able to view "new" (of which there are very few that are not simply repackaged algorithms) "features" to determine if I wish to upgrade to a "new" version.

Third, Adobe and most other software vendors send notices (or auto upgrades) to current software. I still get them for my ACR for CS6. That is not a "new" feature for Adobe or anyone else.

Cost is no object in my choice to step off the ledge into permanent pay products. I simply do not like it, and I simply will not support it, period. Call me a Luddite but know that every other program installed on my computer is the very latest version, unless it has introduced features I don't like or don't need.

Use what you like and like what you use. My main point is to warn non-CC users to think very hard before switching to a system that throws up so many undesirable features. I'm sure CC2014 is a great product. CS6 runs in real time on my big desktop machine and it does everything I need. It's easy to rationalize purchase of a new product once you've crossed the bridge. I'm happy not being spread-eagled over the water below.

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Aug 2, 2014 11:33:10   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Anotherview is correct - ACR is a filter, you don't have to use smart object - much smoother. You don't have to open ACR then open as smart object - which is how you had to do it in CS6 - you can open any file and use the Adobe Camera Raw filter. You really ought to familiarize yourself with CC2014.

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Aug 2, 2014 11:36:29   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Gene51 wrote:
Anotherview is correct - ACR is a filter, you don't have to use smart object - much smoother. You don't have to open ACR then open as smart object - which is how you had to do it in CS6 - you can open any file and use the Adobe Camera Raw filter. You really ought to familiarize yourself with CC2014.
The part that is wrong is that it is a 'new feature' offered by CC. THAT is what I am contesting.

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Aug 2, 2014 11:40:13   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The part that is wrong is that it is a 'new feature' offered by CC. THAT is what I am contesting.


Uh, it is a new feature. Accessing ACR from the filter menu - that is new. Being able to move between the acr editor and the ps editor without having to use a smart filter - that is new. Comes under the category of Workflow Enhancements.

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Aug 2, 2014 11:45:37   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Well, try opening anything wit ACR (using CS6 - selecting open as object). Then double click and it opens ACR again to adjust, as a filter.

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Aug 2, 2014 13:02:05   #
scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Did not have problem either kept both for a couple of days then deleted the regular CC.
Hey Rongnongno, I would like to delete CS5 and CC on my iMac. Do you think you could walk me thru it? Thanks, Steve

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Aug 2, 2014 13:40:23   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
I can give you the directive on a PC but not on a mac, sorry.

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Aug 2, 2014 15:18:14   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Well, try opening anything wit ACR (using CS6 - selecting open as object). Then double click and it opens ACR again to adjust, as a filter.


You need to install CC2014.

Open a jpg/tif/psd with Photoshop. Navigate to Filters/Camera Raw Filter - or simply press Shift+Control+A to open the ACR editor. This is the first version you don't have to "select open as object" from ACR. Or are you still not getting it?

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Aug 2, 2014 15:39:15   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Nope I opened my pictures as object on CS6 BEFORE I upgraded in December.

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Aug 2, 2014 16:46:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Nope I opened my pictures as object on CS6 BEFORE I upgraded in December.


Follow my instructions EXACTLY!

Start CS6
Open a jpg/tif/psd in PHOTOSHOP - NOT ACR and NOT AS SMART OBJECT.
Can you edit with the ACR editing screen without having first opened the image as object? NO!

Now, do the same exact thing in CC2014.

You do not have to open as smart object. You do not have to open the image in ACR first, then open as smart object. You don't have to touch smart object.

BUT,

You CAN edit the image using the Camera Raw Filter and have access to the entire ACR editor - NO NEED TO DEAL WITH SMART OBJECTS -

See below

If you have a way to edit a file with ACR commands without using smart objects, or opening as camera raw, then please share.



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Aug 2, 2014 16:50:21   #
Trabor
 
anotherview wrote:
Your logic talks you and others like you into a corner, on a false premise.

Using the expression "subscription-based software" ignores the comparison and the value between (1) paying a large lump-sum of money periodically for upgrades to software and (2) renting the software on, say, a monthly basis.

Regarding Adobe Photoshop, the first approach involves receiving occasional updates to the software between versions of it, say between CS5 and CS6, and then shelling out a boatload of cash for the latest, upgraded version.

The second approach involves automatically receiving updates AND upgrades as they become available while renting Photoshop (including Lightroom) together for as little as $9.99 per month.

In this comparison, cost represents only part of the equation.

Another part goes to keeping up with and using the latest innovations in features and functions. This dynamic one cannot escape unless partial to enjoying the status of a dinosaur.

Again regarding Photoshop CC, Adobe offers these improvements:

1. Camera Shake Reduction: This filter adjusts a given image for the slight blurring effect that results from movement of the camera during the taking of the photograph. This movement can happen from two sources -- one the photographer or the environment affecting the camera position or two the internal vibration from the slap of the mirror in a DSLR.

Image stabilization in general reduces if not eliminates the external sources of movement that cause image blurring.

The vibration from mirror slap CSR addresses. It removes the slight blurring effect from this slap vibration. The inherent sharpness of the lens optics then reveals itself. One has to see the result of CSR to appreciate its visual improvement in the image.

Often, in my experience, the resulting image sharpness suffices for most purposes. Yet I will say the Nik Collection offers a filter called Sharpener Pro 3: (2) Output Sharpener which adds additional sharpness for a nice crispness in the image.

2. Camera Raw Filter. Photoshop now allows going from the Photoshop editor back to the Camera Raw Filter (Adobe Camera Raw) at any time during the editing process. One does not have to preserve the Smart Object status of a layer for this purpose. Nearly all the features and functions of ACR become available for applying to an image. This one improvement alone enhances the power and flexibility of Photoshop all the more.

I could go on but decline to do so. I prefer to ride the wave of progress in doing digital photography.

Please note that I am a user of Photoshop CC and not a shill for Adobe.

Good luck.
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I would like to second the kind words regarding CSR I find it to be a most useful tool (despite the unkind words from some Hogs)
The effect seems to be localized to the region being analyzed so some improvement seems possible to a moving bird on a stationary background or to moving wings on a stationary bird
CSR can produce some ugly results if the "gain" is set too high

Can anyone suggest a source of information on how CSR really works and how to best use the settings which the manual ignores (other than to say that they exist)

Another useful feature is the motion analysis display which provides a graphical indication of magnitude and direction of detected motion- (not always vertical as some have said) I found it useful in determining my optimum shutter speed at a given focal length and when I really need to use the monopod

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Aug 2, 2014 16:58:00   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Trabor wrote:
I would like to second the kind words regarding CSR I find it to be a most useful tool (despite the unkind words from some Hogs)
The effect seems to be localized to the region being analyzed so some improvement seems possible to a moving bird on a stationary background or to moving wings on a stationary bird
CSR can produce some ugly results if the "gain" is set too high

Can anyone suggest a source of information on how CSR really works and how to best use the settings which the manual ignores (other than to say that they exist)

Another useful feature is the motion analysis display which provides a graphical indication of magnitude and direction of detected motion- (not always vertical as some have said) I found it useful in determining my optimum shutter speed at a given focal length and when I really need to use the monopod
I would like to second the kind words regarding CS... (show quote)


Take a look at this:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/160816-photoshop-cc-hands-on-with-camera-shake-reduction-and-how-it-works

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Aug 2, 2014 17:03:48   #
Trabor
 


Thanks
Just what I was looking for

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Aug 5, 2014 07:04:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This is talking dollars and cents: "I use the Adobe subscription model because it makes PSCC affordable to the masses. I get the latest and greatest, and it costs less than when I bought full versions of PS for $895 and upgraded it every few years. The cost is actually cheaper."

I'd qualify the amount of money which it formerly cost to upgrade PS. Adobe gave me a discount as a current user. But yes, it cost hundreds of dollars still for the newest version.

Now I pay $9.99 per month for Photoshop and Lightroom together. You can't beat that with a stick.
Capture48 wrote:
More misinformation spouted by the uninformed. First Adobe has access to the same information on me that they have on you. You had to register your copy of Adobe to get it working. They do have my Credit Card number, but so does every company who has ever swiped it, just like they have yours. So be careful, prudent with your information - by all means. But paranoid!

If every software company I have demanded a monthly license, I would simply have less software. The subscription model is not new it's been around since the dawn of software. Have you ever read your license agreement? If you did, you would realize you don't own CS6 either. Adobe only licenses you to use it, and can revoke that license at any time. You're no better off than I am with Adobe. The perception that you are is only your mind deluding you.

I use the Adobe subscription model because it makes PSCC affordable to the masses. I get the latest and greatest, and it costs less than when I bought full versions of PS for $895 and upgraded it every few years. The cost is actually cheaper.
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