Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

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minniev Loc: MIssissippi

Semantics I fear. In the south, we don't use the word "keep" to infer permanence. The CC software "resides" on my computer, along with all my other software and works as planned as long as I pay my bill. I also "keep" my library books in my house, though only for 3 weeks at a time, or there will be consequences. I "kept" my grandson yesterday but I took him home at 5:00, he didn't become a permanent resident.

I don't expect anything that I have via subscription to remain with me after I quit paying the bill. I don't expect my cable services or my insurance to continue if I quit paying. I don't see CC as any different. It is a service I am buying, not a tangible item. For now, options are there for those folks who have moral/philosophical problems with considering software a service. I hope these options continue and improve because choice is always a good thing. And I don't have a lot of trust in Adobe, they seem pretty capricious and the decision makers seem awfully out of touch with the user base and even their own developers. I would love to be able to switch to a low cost small company product like Acorn, but they just aren't there yet, for my needs.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

So let me see, you are ok with downloading a trial version of Corel Paint Shop Pro from their software distribution server, but object to doing the EXACT same thing - download a free trial version from Adobe's distribution server, which they chose, for marketing reasons to call it Creative Cloud. The truth is, both Corel's and Adobe's software exist in the "ether" as you refer to it. The process of downloading is similar. The process of installing either software is identical. The only difference is that you pay a one time cost to keep the Corel software, and you pay a monthly payment to keep the Adobe software. At the end of the product cycle, which is part of Corel's perpetual license, they stop supporting and upgrading the software, and you need to shell out another one time fee for a reduced price upgrade. There is no end of product cycle with Adobe - they continue to release new versions and it is entirely up to you to continue to use it or not.

You can always edit your tif, psd or jpg files in any other pixel/vector graphics editing program.

Corel is a decent choice for an amateur or hobbyist - it is not the fastest horse in the stable, it lacks any really useful image management function, from import from card or computer to reviewing/browsing/tagging and retrieving images, (it has a manage module, but it is a far cry from Lighroom), and the editing function is disorganized. If you use Photoshop since CS5, you probably have gotten comfy with the content aware fill tool, smart objects, its decent pano stitching, its better organized interface, and in general more stability. PSP is known for its installation/activation/Lockup and freezes, etc. When CC was released, I took a long look at PSP and decided to work with Photoline - it was better in nearly all respects, but it wasn't as slick as Photoshop. When PS came down in price, I jumped on board. I was already familiar with the user interface, and was already a Lightroom user - so it was a no brainer.

wapiti Loc: round rock, texas

I cannot add anything to what Gene51 and minniev said. Ditto to their comments. Well stated.

mccampbell60 Loc: Michigan

I have used ACDSee for years, rarely see it mentioned in UHH. Am I missing something? Seems to do all that I want and a lot more.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

I guess my first question is why do you feel you need to move on from PS7? Are you trying to do something that is not possible to be done in 7?
--Bob

Toolking Loc: Pacific Northwest

Biggest question is ..."What do you need to do that you can't do in PS7?" I'm using five and if it weren't for it's inability to read the new RAW format I'd stay on it for a while longer.

Just my $.02.

gr8five

Jerry do you have a link to this forum?

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Here's a suggestion. Download the DNG conversion software from Adobe. It's free. Convert one of your RAW files using the DNG conversion software. This doesn't change your image data other than to make it universally readable. Then try to open the converted file in PS5. If it works, you saved yourself a lot of money.
--Bob

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

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Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO

Try Corel PaintShop Pro X6. Excellent software and great price.

Jim Bob

You ain't never lied.

Numb Bob has spoken.

Jim Bob

Yep. Got it. Love it. Doesn't cost me $10 per month. Powerful tools.

Numb Bob has spoken.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Depending upon what you do with your pics, you might want to consider Elements, instead of either Lightroom or Photoshop.

Here's a very good comparison, Lightroom vs. Elements (Photoshop is also a big part of the discussion):

http://photographylife.com/lightroom-vs-photoshop-elements

The same photographer also has posted a helpful Photoshop vs Elements article:

http://photographylife.com/photoshop-vs-photoshop-elements

Yooper 2 Loc: Ironwood, MI

If you don't need to work with layers choose LR5. If you will work with layers choose Elements 12. Photoshop is for advanced PP work. It's a must for professional photographers and publishers. Don't spend that kind of $$ until you absolutely need that to do that kind of processing.