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Jul 1, 2014 15:58:31   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Hmmmm lets see. we have 30 pages of nothing........

The left hollers, with out proof, Saying that now women are relegated to full time pregnancy or back alley abortions...some have cried that their human rights have been taken away and one has even warned that we are regressing to the Stone age...(Paraphrased) So far, all with out any Proof that any of that is actually happening..

The right hollers, with common sense, that NO, none of those things have happened nor will they happen... NO rights have been taken, Back alley abortions will only be performed if "Planned Parent hood" loses its public taxpayer money it scoops in by the barrel for its abortion clinics and we probably don't have to worry too much about the stone age..everyone loves their iPhone too much......The only thing having to do with ANY woman is that she will have to pay for their own next day abortion medicines..

So.. (and NO DLJEN, I am not telling you what to do....) why don't we jump on another subject and let this one go...lots of hot typing is not changing a single person and we all know it....

Mike

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Jul 1, 2014 15:59:28   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
marblclear wrote:
Firstly, I am not a sir. And secondly, I have read all of the threads but as a woman who is pro choice, I always find it interesting when a bunch of old men, who really know nothing about women's bodies are making all of the decisions. Trying to explain how this feels to me and other women would be like trying to explain compassion, empathy, and understanding to someone like you. People who believe that we need to go backwards in time are not really understanding society today. I'll bet you are one of those people who don't believe in giving gay people their rights. That is why I call so called Christians, the Taliban of the US and other men Neanderthal. I may be progressive but you my friend are regressive. Oh, sorry I guess we are not friends.

To be honest I really do not like to go on these rants but as you can probably tell I feel very passionate about this subject and have for a very long time.
Firstly, I am not a sir. And secondly, I have rea... (show quote)


Where in this decision is anybody, much less an old man, telling women what to do with their bodies? What rights have been denied to women?

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Jul 1, 2014 16:02:28   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
"Some women cannot use oral birth control and the only option open to those women is an IUD"

What, condoms don't work either ?


The Hobby Lobby health plan pays for IUDs, before and after the ACA was enacted. This court decision does not change that. They still pay for any and all forms of birth control.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:03:31   #
marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
If you read through this thread I have made a cogent argument surrounding this decision, something that you are clearly unable to do... But I would welcome the opportunity to read your attempt.


So, okay. I am sure you will consider this a cop out. But frankly I have better things to do with my time then try to convince someone, anyone why I feel my argument is cogent. Suffice it to say, I believe that an employer who is providing health benefits to their employees shouldn't have the right to pick and choose which medical issues they will or will not include in their plans based on their own personal beliefs. States and even the courts have been chipping away at womens reproductive rights for years now and I think we are on a slippery slope as long as people like Clarence Thomas, who has never had an original thougnt by the way, Roberts, Scalia and Alito are on the court. I am very disappointed in Kennedy, I thought he had a back bone.
Now I am done. I need to let this go, for now.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:05:17   #
marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA
 
venturer9 wrote:
Hmmmm lets see. we have 30 pages of nothing........

The left hollers, with out proof, Saying that now women are relegated to full time pregnancy or back alley abortions...some have cried that their human rights have been taken away and one has even warned that we are regressing to the Stone age...(Paraphrased) So far, all with out any Proof that any of that is actually happening..

The right hollers, with common sense, that NO, none of those things have happened nor will they happen... NO rights have been taken, Back alley abortions will only be performed if "Planned Parent hood" loses its public taxpayer money it scoops in by the barrel for its abortion clinics and we probably don't have to worry too much about the stone age..everyone loves their iPhone too much......The only thing having to do with ANY woman is that she will have to pay for their own next day abortion medicines..

So.. (and NO DLJEN, I am not telling you what to do....) why don't we jump on another subject and let this one go...lots of hot typing is not changing a single person and we all know it....

Mike
Hmmmm lets see. we have 30 pages of nothing.......... (show quote)


Well for once we agree. But only about he moving on part.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:07:08   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Corporate Statism? How in the world does this ruling strengthen corporate statism? This is all you have Bazbo, the decision is available online for you to read, you are one of the intellectuals here, you know your blog and all, I would expect a better argument based on the facts of the case and the courts ruling from you.... Not vacuous statements based solely on emotion.


My argument was in my original post which you apparently missed. Responding to an off hand comment is hardly an argument. I think my response was to you being concerned with govt bureaucracy which in turn was a response to a post about the growing power of Corporations. The comment you were responding to had nothing to do with govt bureaucracy. I think I have the thread right. If not, I am sure will gleefully correct me.

Also, I make no claims to being an intellectual. Like everyone else here, I am just one person responding to my environment.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:10:29   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
My argument was in my original post which you apparently missed. Responding to an off hand comment is hardly an argument. I think my response was to you being concerned with govt bureaucracy which in turn was a response to a post about the growing power of Corporations. The comment you were responding to had nothing to do with govt bureaucracy. I think I have the thread right. If not, I am sure will gleefully correct me.

Also, I make no claims to being an intellectual. Like everyone else here, I am just one person responding to my environment.
My argument was in my original post which you appa... (show quote)


Maybe I have higher expectations of you, I have yet to see the left on this thread actually address the decision itself, with anything other than Ginsberg's descent which the majority addresses in the writing of its decision... The left is clearly overreacting and allowing their imaginations to run rampant over the facts of the case.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:14:22   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Well boys and girls I am going to watch soccer and then go run some errands... I will check back later to see if the liberals have come up with anything that actually pertains to the case and the ruling. So far I have seen 30 pages of nothing.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:22:50   #
jointerjohn
 
SpeedyWilson wrote:
The supreme Court has ruled 5-4 mostly in favor of Hobby Lobby's case seeking exemption from Obamacare mandate of paying for certain abortive contraception medications.

I agree with their decision, and I think it's a step in the right direction of liberty and freedom.

What are your thoughts about this decision?


This is the type of decision that will speed this country forward toward single-payer nationalized health care. The American public will tire of this type of nonsense and move in that direction.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:26:33   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Maybe I have higher expectations of you, I have yet to see the left on this thread actually address the decision itself, with anything other than Ginsberg's descent which the majority addresses in the writing of its decision... The left is clearly overreacting and allowing their imaginations to run rampant over the facts of the case.


Again, I addressed the decision directly in my OP. Easy to miss in a thread this long.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:31:34   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
marblclear wrote:
Oh please. Are you from the dark ages?



The Supreme Court said, if a company has a religious objection to abortion, they don't have to pay for it.

It's a financial thing, what does it have to do with the Dark Ages?

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Jul 1, 2014 16:33:09   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
SpeedyWilson wrote:
The supreme Court has ruled 5-4 mostly in favor of Hobby Lobby's case seeking exemption from Obamacare mandate of paying for certain abortive contraception medications.

I agree with their decision, and I think it's a step in the right direction of liberty and freedom.

What are your thoughts about this decision?


This isn't about "abortive contraception". It's about women being able to get birth control pills so they won't have to use "abortive contraception".

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Jul 1, 2014 16:36:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
Again, I addressed the decision directly in my OP. Easy to miss in a thread this long.


Yes, I think that I found it on page 24, a reasoned and respectable response that I think is flawed, I have to run but I will reply to that statement later if you are interested, you may not be but even so the response will be here.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:43:09   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
Two years ago the SCOTUS determined that the ACA is constitutional.

This was also a 5-4 decision.

I failed to find the same level of emotional rhetoric calling for violence against anyone or anything coming fro our conservative members.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/06/28/1616240/supreme-court-affordable-care-act-is-constitutional

There are still millions of women that have no medical coverage. For me this would be a greater priority then insisting that someone is obligated to pay for someone's specific form of birth control, considering that no one will go without. They will still get all the free contraception they desire. But that's not good enough. You want to punish the owners of Hobby Lobby. If any would like to read the entire history they would find that the owners of Hobby Lobby stated that they would close their doors if they were forced to pay for something that can cause an abortion.

When Susan Rice said that a independent video about Mohammad was the direct cause of the attack on Benghazi. No one from the left denounced the radical Muslims for their viscous attack based solely on their faith.

I wonder why on the Christians have to continue to explain the importance of their religion, but other faiths do not.

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Jul 1, 2014 16:53:34   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
Collie lover wrote:
This isn't about "abortive contraception". It's about women being able to get birth control pills so they won't have to use "abortive contraception".


No, Hobby Lobby will continue to provide 16 out of 20 forms of contraception. All this violence over 4 items.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/06/30/reminder-hobby-lobby-provides-coverage-for-16-types-of-contraception-n1857354

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