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Jun 23, 2014 21:12:13   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
That,s funny ,there have been mass extinctions for millions of years. Some of them were as high as 90% of everything and we weren,t here to create it. Get used to the idea "nothing is as sure as change". Contrary to popular belief the planet does not care if the human race is here or not, we are not the most important thing. Think Soylent Green.

There have been mass extinctions in the past over millions of years, but humans and human activity are main causes of extinction now and it is rapidly accelerating due to habitat loss. Oh, but I forgot, humans are at the top of the food chain so who cares?!

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Jun 23, 2014 21:15:20   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
bodacious wrote:
The ignorance of modern man and corporations like Monsanto could have a distinct bearing on future extinctions.


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Jun 23, 2014 21:19:20   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
EngineerAl wrote:
The elitists cannot be trusted to answer this. They have a vested interest in panic, research, caterwauling, screaming the sky is falling, repeat.

Global Warming is a complete fraud.

Finally, humans are part of the landscape. What other animal would lament the passing of homo sapiens? Not one of them.
Nobody sets out to destroy any species. In fact, when we had finally conquered smallpox, the elitists weren't so sure we should extinguish them permanently. How idiotic can one group be?

Moreover, given the greed, the hypocrisy of leftists such as George Soros, and Al Gore, and Ted Turner, who is anybody on their side of the socialist aisle to condemn the lifestyles of average people? The most corrupt, the most environmentally destructive countries are socialist, and not free, as we are in the U.S.
The elitists cannot be trusted to answer this. Th... (show quote)


Put your engineering mind to good use do something positive. Obviously, you don't understand scientific principles. Just go watch TV and eat TV dinners---life will be just fine for you. They rest of us will move forward to the future. The old school is gone, time to grow up.

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Jun 23, 2014 21:22:45   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
twolfphd wrote:
Actually, everything you do impacts the environment which impacts plant and animal species. Deforestation is caused by livestock production and agriculture to name a few, which leads to species loss. We already know that fossil fuel use leads to global warming which ultimately leads to extinction. (Maybe you don't drive a car or heat your house with fossil fuels in which case you are way ahead of the game!) We have garbage swirls the size of New Jersey in our oceans and the oceans are warming. With the delicate balance of the oceans and forests being disturbed, we will see extinction and demise in the near future. We already have a diet of GMOs which hurts/ kills bees and butterflies, which directly effects OUR food supply. In short we must ALL contribute to helping out our planet before it is to late. You can stick your head in the ground and pretend it isn't so, but that isn't very productive or realistic.
Actually, everything you do impacts the environmen... (show quote)


So you accuse me of sticking my head in sand because I asked for proof or examples of "tearing apart the earth"? Since when is asking for proof sticking one's head in the sand? It seems to me those not providing proof to back up their claims are the ones with their head in the sand. For something that is supposedly so rampant nobody cannot provide one example. That tells me they are exaggerating or are simply liars.

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Jun 23, 2014 21:24:40   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
EngineerAl wrote:
Socialism: Ideas so good that they have to be made mandatory.


Socialism isn't perfect either. But, at least the liberals don't stay awake at night thinking about the war we created out of greed and lies. Too many people dead due to past conservative "principles"! The problem with conservatives is that they are selfish and greedy (and unrealistic). They care more about legitimizing rape than dealing with the real issues in this country.

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Jun 23, 2014 21:25:52   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
it is called survival of the fittest. after all isn't extinction of species part of evolution? oh as for that inane attack on conservatives, it was Republican Theodore Roosevelt who created national PARKS AS WELL AS WILDLIFE PRESERVES. It was Republican Richard Nixon who created the EPA. sorry liberals historical facts trump emotional slander anyday.

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Jun 23, 2014 21:25:59   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
James Shaw wrote:
Hate the sin not the sinner (Monsanto). Lets start with the coal, oil, industries and then with the rare earth metal industries that rape the surface of the earth; then with the fracking gas industry that creates earthquakes where they have never been felt before. Do you sleep eternally in your dark bedroom closet, just to come out on UHH to exhibit what you don't know?
I am all for jobs, but I am also not for destroying what God hath given. Ever see the debris from the plastics industries floating continuously from continent to continent and washing up on beaches? Don't you know why individuals all over don't swim in their creeks and rivers anymore.
Do you wear glasses? Are you blind? Can you hear? Is your mind open to that other than that what you believe? Do you believe everything you think?

Get it straight buddy. Corporations aren't evil; but some of what they do is evil. Do you have any respect for your environment?
Hate the sin not the sinner (Monsanto). Lets star... (show quote)




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Jun 23, 2014 21:27:47   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
twolfphd wrote:
You are obviously too ignorant of scientific principles to understand anyway, so why not just give it up!


You are obviously a dolt who cannot follow the specifics or context of a discussion you butted into by making yet more false claims like your comrades on this thread. My only issue was calling out a liar or exaggerator out on a claim they made. I did not claim anything or make any assertions so you are the one who is too ignorant to continue so please, give it up. You embarrass yourself.

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Jun 23, 2014 21:30:08   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
idaholover wrote:
Well, with half the libs saying don't have kids and the other half homosexual I really don't see what the problem is! But that's just me!


Part of the problem is people who hunt elk and deer when we already have grocery stores full of meat!! The gun is an extension of the male body to conservatives.

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Jun 23, 2014 21:39:09   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
EngineerAl wrote:
You're getting really disoriented, aren't you. Ted Turner isn't average. He's a raving atheist/liberal/fat cat who married Hanoi Jane Fonda.

George Soros isn't average either. He is a billionaire socialist wealthier by far than the Koch brothers, whom you liberals constantly malign while you let Soros off free because he's one of you.

This isn't about me. It doesn't matter what I am, I'm simply putting facts in front of you lefties, and you despise facts.
You specialize in rhetoric and lies, all the time.
"Depending on what the definition of 'is' is."

And Obama doesn't "speak Austrian." (Neither do Austrians.)
You're getting really disoriented, aren't you. Te... (show quote)


This problem is greater than all of us and is a bipartisan issue. At least Obama and Al Gore care enough to listen to the scientists on this one. And, some of us do conserve, recycle, donate, and care about the environment. Conservatives just care about the "bottom line". I am so sick of hearing about the greed and the lies coming from the conservative/ republican party as they try to screw the world to fill their pocketbooks. As saying goes, "when the last tree is cut, all the streams are polluted and the air is thick with smog, you can eat your money"!

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Jun 23, 2014 21:55:21   #
twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Do you want to live in a cave? Do you want to go back to climbing trees and picking nuts and berries to stay alive? You own a house or rent one. You own a car to get around. You will continue to exercise your "right" and "obligation" to exploit the earth to satisfy your needs and desires. That is life as you know it and you are not going to give it up. You provided for your wife and your children. You will take what this earth has to give so you can give the best for your family. And that is alright. You are no different than any other person on this forum or any of those who have posted on the thread. We are all the same because we all have to live. That's life man!
Do you want to live in a cave? Do you want to go b... (show quote)


Live smarter!!

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Jun 23, 2014 21:56:21   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
twolfphd wrote:
Part of the problem is people who hunt elk and deer when we already have grocery stores full of meat!! The gun is an extension of the male body to conservatives.


no the public possession of firearms is the last constitutional check on abusive federal power. the 2nd amendment has nothing to do about hunting and everything to do with personal liberty. by the way hunting controls the population of game animals. having lived in michigan, there is nothing worse then the spring thaw uncovering numerous deer carcasses that starved during the winter. since many predators such as wolves bears and coyottes are not as numerous as they used to be. let us also remember just how much money hunters and fisherman contribute to state treasuries to support our wildlife, enviorment, and park systems.

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Jun 23, 2014 22:01:42   #
davidheald1942 Loc: Mars (the planet)
 
I heard that pbear. None for me at almost 72 yo.
ronny

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Jun 23, 2014 22:16:07   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
twolfphd wrote:
Live smarter!!


I live the way I damn well please! :thumbup: :lol:

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Jun 23, 2014 22:43:24   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
donrent wrote:
"It has now been documented that species are currently disappearing at a rate of up to 1,000 times faster than they did before humans started walking the earth."
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Now excuse me all to hell, but this has to be about the most STUPID statement ever made...

HOW,before humans started walking the earth, did they know WHAT the extintion rate was ? HOW did they know ANYTHING IF THERE WERE NO HUMANS ????

Articles like this are taken as fact by so many STUPID people....
"It has now been documented that species are ... (show quote)


The fossil record. Studying the layers gives a fairly accurate indication about when, how long and in what concentration individual species existed within a given area. Didn't you learn about that stuff in school?

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