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Jun 19, 2014 00:15:35   #
Cameoblue Loc: British Columbia Canada
 
psychusa wrote:
I just hate the idea of storing images on line, even though it might be useful to me. It seems as though it becomes another unhealthy dependence on technology. Just don't trust where the images might wind up.


You download CC to your computer not your photos to CC. You always have your photos on your computer and or whatever backup you choose. Once you download CC to your computer you are finished dealing with Adobe until they offer you an update (which you choose whether to install or not). PS CC is on your computer and works if you are connected to the internet or even if not. Once a month they will notify you that $9.99 plus taxes have been debited from your credit card account for rental of their program. .
Your pictures are on your computer and even if you decided to not renew or cancel the program you still have complete control of your pictures. It is no big deal. Adobe went this route because everybody and their dog had a pirated copy of photoshop and this is their way of keeping you honest.

ps. I had PS5 and it worked flawlessly with my 5D3

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Jun 19, 2014 00:26:16   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
It is amazing how many people think if they subscribe to Adobe's Creative Cloud that their programs and files are out there in some never-never land. Folks the programs are on your computer and your files are where ever you choose to store them. End of story. I've been using this service since the beginning and I have had almost zero trouble. All you are really doing is renting the programs on a monthly basis. If you pay your monthly you play. If you don't pay, you don't play. You probably could, because everything resides on your computer, if you kept your computer off line but I don't know anyone who would do that.

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Jun 19, 2014 07:16:44   #
rmlee27 Loc: Windsor, CT
 
Adobe just released a new version of Photoshop on their updated Creative Cloud yesterday. (I'm not affiliated with Adobe). You can get Photoshop and Lightroom for $10/month, and the new version has quite a few new features. Worth taking a look. I've found it worthwhile to use the subscription since I tend to purchase new versions, and this works out to be less expensive. And if you haven't tried it, Lightroom is an excellent addition.

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Jun 19, 2014 07:25:49   #
Baz Loc: Peterborough UK
 
I have just (quite literally) downloaded the cc package. To answer a previous question, the LR5 is identical to the one in the box. The only thing it has done on mine is move the icon location oln the desktop. All catalogues etc remain the same.
I have issues however in that I cannot get Topaz to transfer from CS6 to CC. I'm sure there will be a way, but I haven't found it in the last 10 minutes or so. Time to start learning again.

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Jun 19, 2014 07:26:04   #
steveg48
 
MtnMan wrote:
For Photoshop, yes.

But Lightroom plus Elements is far less expensive.



You can get Lightroom plus Photoshop CC for 10 per month.

Adobe is now including Lightroom in Creative Cloud so that will always be updated as well. Good to know since Lightroom 6 is coming soon.


Adobe has said customers will still also be able to purchase Lightroom as a non-CC application in perpituity.

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Jun 19, 2014 07:38:29   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
psychusa wrote:
I have been using Photoshop almost since I went digital in 2001. But I have not renewed for the newest versions, where you must subscribe on a Monthly basis. I'm curious to hear from people who have used the newer on line versions, as to whether or not they offer any new features that might be worthwhile. Also curious if the newer versions will handle RAW processing for the newer Canon cameras. I still use Photoshop CS5. But it's not going to work on the newer RAW files, and I wish to get a new Canon DSL, probably the Mark III. I've always preferred the Photoshop tools to edit RAW files.

Is the new Photoshop CC worth it? I was pissed when they went this way and was skeptical that they had any new stuff that might be worth it.
I have been using Photoshop almost since I went di... (show quote)


Like yourself, I have been using PS since 2001, or so. I am currently using PS6 and have no plan on drinking the Adobe Kool-aid and enslaving myself to Adobe with a monthly fee until I absolutely can't accomplish what I need to do with PS6. I envision that to be years from now.
--Bob

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Jun 19, 2014 07:42:37   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
Baz wrote:
I have just (quite literally) downloaded the cc package. To answer a previous question, the LR5 is identical to the one in the box. The only thing it has done on mine is move the icon location oln the desktop. All catalogues etc remain the same.
I have issues however in that I cannot get Topaz to transfer from CS6 to CC. I'm sure there will be a way, but I haven't found it in the last 10 minutes or so. Time to start learning again.


Every time there's a new major version of CC I generally have to reinstall the plugins. Sometimes the plugin companies have to update their software to fit Adobes new version, so it may take a while to get a new plugin version that fits your new CC application. It always works out eventually but it is a bit of work to make the change.

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Jun 19, 2014 07:51:24   #
psychusa Loc: Brooklyn
 
Thanks for the info!

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Jun 19, 2014 08:14:40   #
Al Beatty Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Hi group,

I've found CC to be a really good deal (for me anyway) as purchasing a new version of CS every couple of years usually costs $400 or more. The rental is $120 per year and is updated every month or so.

The new features are good though I only use the ACR filter and the camera shake ones on a regular basis. The camera shake feature is a lifesaver for me as an editor of a industry magazine. Often the pictures I receive from authors are less than great but still required to illustrate a particular story line. Take care & ...

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Jun 19, 2014 08:15:30   #
bettis1 Loc: Texas
 
I recently decided to move from Aperture to Lightroom 5 so I downloaded the free 30 day version for a trial. About a week before it was to expire I attempted to buy it. For some unknown reason I was put in a loop where I kept being asked if I wanted to use the free version or buy a version. Choosing the "Buy" option asked me for a serial number which I had never been issued.

I spent several periods over several days with Adobe's phone tree and various representatives without any resolution. I finally reached a supervisor who directed me to delete the free version and load a clean version. I was initially reluctant to do that because I didn't know if my catalogues would go away with the free version. Out of frustration I finally deleted it and reloaded the purchased ($10/Mo.) version. Happy to say all the data was still there! So far it has worked perfectly.

I found an excellent book for new users: Photoshop Lightroom, From Snapshots to Great Shots by Jeff Revell.

Bob

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Jun 19, 2014 08:22:56   #
psychusa Loc: Brooklyn
 
Al Beatty wrote:
Hi group,

I've found CC to be a really good deal (for me anyway) as purchasing a new version of CS every couple of years usually costs $400 or more. The rental is $120 per year and is updated every month or so.

The new features are good though I only use the ACR filter and the camera shake ones on a regular basis. The camera shake feature is a lifesaver for me as an editor of a industry magazine. Often the pictures I receive from authors are less than great but still required to illustrate a particular story line. Take care & ...
Hi group, br br I've found CC to be a really good... (show quote)


Thanks for the info! BTW, is there a feature to enlarge a low resolution image and preserve the sharpness? I have some older images before I got SLRs and started using RAW which I'd like to fix, if possible. Just downloaded the program but can't find it in the menu structure.

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Jun 19, 2014 08:26:01   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Cameoblue wrote:

Your pictures are on your computer and even if you decided to not renew or cancel the program you still have complete control of your pictures. It is no big deal. Adobe went this route because everybody and their dog had a pirated copy of photoshop and this is their way of keeping you honest.


The first statement isn't true if you use Lightroom. It does not matter if it is the CC version or the shrink-wrap/download version.

Unlike Photoshop and other programs Lightroom does not modify your original images when you change them. Instead it keeps a catalog of the changes you make and applies the catalog each time you look at the image. If you lose access to Lightroom you lose all of your work modifying those images.

You still have the original images.

There is a way around that: you export each modified image as a new image. I expect very few Lightroom users do that.

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Jun 19, 2014 08:27:38   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
psychusa wrote:
I have been using Photoshop almost since I went digital in 2001. But I have not renewed for the newest versions, where you must subscribe on a Monthly basis. I'm curious to hear from people who have used the newer on line versions, as to whether or not they offer any new features that might be worthwhile. Also curious if the newer versions will handle RAW processing for the newer Canon cameras. I still use Photoshop CS5. But it's not going to work on the newer RAW files, and I wish to get a new Canon DSL, probably the Mark III. I've always preferred the Photoshop tools to edit RAW files.

Is the new Photoshop CC worth it? I was pissed when they went this way and was skeptical that they had any new stuff that might be worth it.
I have been using Photoshop almost since I went di... (show quote)


Without a doubt, it's worth it, in more ways than one.

First, you get a LOT of capability for the mere $10/month. More than you will likely ever use, but if you intend to grow in your photography expertise, these tools will never run out of functionality for you.

Secondly, if you intend to use the premier editing tools in your work, this is the only way to get them.

Just yesterday, Adobe announced that the $9.99/month offering is available to anyone. What a deal!!

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Jun 19, 2014 08:29:15   #
Picdude Loc: Ohio
 
MtnMan wrote:
How many times do people have to tell you that the CC deal has NOTHING to do with storing your images on line?


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Dumbest marketing move Adobe ever made was to use the term 'Cloud' in this program. If they would re-label the program they would probably get a 30% or better increase in subscribers who are no longer confused about storage and access.

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Jun 19, 2014 08:29:48   #
mldavis2
 
There are some disadvantages to the CC program, one which I continue to boycott. First, I don't like anyone having open access to my bank account on a monthly basis in perpetuity, especially Adobe given their pathetic loss of user data to hackers last year.

Second, updates are "forced" whether you want them or not. If you have working plug-ins, as someone above pointed out, often you have to re-install them or lose them due to incompatibilities that arise. You can't back up.

Third, while you keep your images on your own computer, any editing that you do in a stored .PSD file is not going to be usable in older versions (using CS6 as a backup for example) if you utilize new features in CC during those edits. You must return to the original RAW or JPEG image and start over if you bail out of the pay-forever-or-lose-it program.

Fourth, Adobe is obviously far below their intended user base numbers as their continued "discounted" entry price has been pushed forward many times after earlier warnings of its termination. It won't be $120/yr. forever, and you can forget any corporate "promises" of future rates. Caveat emptor.

There are always ways to convert your new camera RAW files for use in any editor. As pointed out, Adobe DNG is free (for now) and kept up to date. The same goes for free programs such as Picasa, and of course any camera manufacturer supplies the necessary software to convert their RAW files to formats usable in any editor. PSP, onOne, Gimp and other programs are also updated as they evolve and new camera RAW formats are introduced. Buying a new camera is no excuse to subscribe to CC.

DNG files are readable by all editors with which I am familiar. It is a format closely related to the original RAW format that was intended to become an industry standard, but manufacturers have balked at allowing Adobe to define their default formats. And there is nothing keeping Adobe from charging for the DNG converter sometime in the future, though it's lack of popularity will likely prevent that.

I am an Adobe fan from back with version 4.5, but I will never encourage "cloud" computing with any vendor. It may well become the only choice some day in the future, but that will be years after I'm gone. For now I trust my own system more than unseen computers in the vast black hole of the internet, and I refuse to encourage vendors to abandon the stability of boxed software. When my CS6 outlives it's usefulness, I'll regretfully go elsewhere.

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