"You might go a little farther in showing the common sense which informs intelligent people that normal fires can't melt steel."
Having worked in the tool and die business for over 40 years I am very aware as to what it takes to melt and weaken steel.
The towers were hit off center so the side that they were hit on would have gone down first.
Anyone who has watched building demolitions knows that it takes very precise timing to bring a building straight down.
It helps to educate yourself rather that just believe what you are told.
Croce wrote:
Adios nutjob.
Pot?Kettle?
Talk about nut jobs. Come on man, give it up. In this thread alone you have changed your position at least 4 times. Geeez. And wasn't it you that just a short time ago criticized name calling and personal attacks?
I am just going to have to refuse to continue to converse with you unless you can pull it together.
rick wrote:
Pot?Kettle?
Talk about nut jobs. Come on man, give it up. In this thread alone you have changed your position at least 4 times. Geeez. And wasn't it you that just a short time ago criticized name calling and personal attacks?
I am just going to have to refuse to continue to converse with you unless you can pull it together.
Hahahahahahahah chhhoke, ppfffffftttttttt. Refuse to talk to me hahahahahaha. When have I ever initiated conversation with you? You jump in on my conversations addressed to others. Do you actually think you are intelligent enough to stalk me and turn tables on me? You would do better to stalk a more vulnerable target. You are incapable of rationality and have serious comprehension problems. Can you do no better than parse remote thoughts taken from my conversations with others? Are you a raghead or just a run of the mill troll? Your thought train follows the same convoluted pattern that they have. And no, it was not I who just a short time ago criticized name calling and personal attacks. If you are going to accuse you need to present evidence. Let's see how good your word is. Refuse to talk to me.
TrainNut wrote:
"You might go a little farther in showing the common sense which informs intelligent people that normal fires can't melt steel."
Having worked in the tool and die business for over 40 years I am very aware as to what it takes to melt and weaken steel.
The towers were hit off center so the side that they were hit on would have gone down first.
Anyone who has watched building demolitions knows that it takes very precise timing to bring a building straight down.
It helps to educate yourself rather that just believe what you are told.
"You might go a little farther in showing the... (
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It's encouraging to see someone here who's not afraid of the truth, TrainNut.
Do you think the majority on this forum have refused to educate themselves or do they have an agenda to cover up the truth?
Croce wrote:
Are you a raghead or just a run of the mill troll?
There you go again, letting that real, ignorant, racist, bigoted mentality show through again Croce.
I enjoy talking to you and am going to give you a second chance. I think you might be salvageable. Sometimes in spite of your ignorance you show very small (emphasis on very) glimpses of not being quite as insane as the rest of these conspiracy theorist, tea party head cases. I think we should keep up the discourse, I think I can help you.
rick wrote:
There you go again, letting that real, ignorant, racist, bigoted mentality show through again Croce.
I enjoy talking to you and am going to give you a second chance. I think you might be salvageable. Sometimes in spite of your ignorance you show very small (emphasis on very) glimpses of not being quite as insane as the rest of these conspiracy theorist, tea party head cases. I think we should keep up the discourse, I think I can help you.
First you need to help yourself. No one here really knows what your position is since you have stated none although it is apparent that your sympathies lie with the very very leftist liberal element. All you do is target, critisize anothers behavior, attempt to aggravate (as in troll) and then retreat. It is evident that anyone you in some way disagree with is ignorant, racist and bigoted in your mind. And then you have the crass temerity to say YOU can help someone. What a true asshole. I am through with you until you declare what political philosophy you espouse. Talk about ambiguous, you are the poster boy. Adios troll.
He is just a troll. Has no real position, calls everyone leftists and rightists alike, ignorant, uninformed, bigoted, racist, etc etc. Do you think he is really old sarg in disguise. In his menial mind only he is correct and fair handed. Take it easy Phil.
TrainNut wrote:
"You might go a little farther in showing the common sense which informs intelligent people that normal fires can't melt steel."
Having worked in the tool and die business for over 40 years I am very aware as to what it takes to melt and weaken steel.
The towers were hit off center so the side that they were hit on would have gone down first.
Anyone who has watched building demolitions knows that it takes very precise timing to bring a building straight down.
It helps to educate yourself rather that just believe what you are told.
"You might go a little farther in showing the... (
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TrainNut, I'm sure most people realize that normal fires can't melt steel. It takes temperatures in excess of 2500° to melt steel, however; what the World Trade Center conspiracy theorists who claim the buildings could not have fallen from the fires created by the crash fail to note is that while steel melts at around 2500°F it begins to lose its strength at a much lower temperature. The steel structure of the World Trade Center would not have to melt in order for the buildings to lose their structural integrity. Steel can be soft at 1,000°F well below the burning temperature of jet fuel. There is a more complete report on wiki. Since a B-29 crashed into the ESB back in 1948?, it prompted studies to try and predict what would happen to various buildings if a repeat of the crash ever happened again. If you are interested in more detailed explanations rather than armchair lay studies conducted by agenda driven TV watchers, try this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
phcaan wrote:
You Go Croce!!
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Yeah, you go Croce :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Croce wrote:
First you need to help yourself. No one here really knows what your position is since you have stated none although it is apparent that your sympathies lie with the very very leftist liberal element. All you do is target, critisize anothers behavior, attempt to aggravate (as in troll) and then retreat. It is evident that anyone you in some way disagree with is ignorant, racist and bigoted in your mind. And then you have the crass temerity to say YOU can help someone. What a true asshole. I am through with you until you declare what political philosophy you espouse. Talk about ambiguous, you are the poster boy. Adios troll.
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I am a fiscal conservative, moderately liberal otherwise. Really not as far left as you would suggest but I guess it is all a matter of perspective, right? I mean if you are way right which you seem to be then a moderate liberal might seem way way left. Nothing revolutionary if you know what I mean.
And I only use the terms racist, ignorant and bigoted on those who blatantly earn them, I mean come on Croce, "rag head"?? How do you defend that? If the shoe fits, right?
So you now know my political philosophy. I will assume that means you want me to continue to help you work through these issues of yours. Thanks.
I still maintain that this is one of the funniest most entertaining sites I visit. You are a prime contributor so thank you. I can't help coming back. I just can't wait to hear what you cut-ups have to say next. Some of this conspiracy stuff that you actually attempt to "discuss" with some of the crazies is really entertaining to those of us who are sane.
And no I am not Sarg, just Rick.
rick wrote:
And I only use the terms racist, ignorant and bigoted on those who blatantly earn them, I mean come on Croce, "rag head"?? How do you defend that? If the shoe fits, right?
And no I am not Sarg, just Rick.
I agree "rag head" was just wrong. I prefer Diaper Heads or a Pull Starts.
Croce wrote:
Troll by his own definition. Post is non substantive, therefore unworthy of reply. Poster dismissed as irrelevant being.
Oh, now that really hurts Croce. After I extend an olive branch and offer to help save you you just turn on me like that. I may have to rethink my position on you.
gmcase wrote:
I agree "rag head" was just wrong. I prefer Diaper Heads or a Pull Starts.
Now we are talking, yeah!
It does not take much to lure another one out of the cesspool. Give me your take on Obama and gay marriage while we are at it. And after you are done disparaging blacks and gays you can flaunt your tea party connection and christian fervor so we get the full story.
This is why I find it so entertaining so keep up the good work.
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