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Jun 6, 2014 07:20:37   #
Scoutman Loc: Orlando, FL
 
Bret wrote:
I see...well kind looks like this...although the last time I was in Japan it looked different as best I can recall....lol


Good example of bokeh.

Thanks.

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Jun 6, 2014 07:33:25   #
RDH
 
Peterff wrote:
Oh dear,

Quality doesn't necessarily map to good or bad, but to the varying attributes of something.

After all, some people actually like the donut bokeh from reflex lenses in some circumstances. Do we need to go down the good / bad path? Especially in the context of reflex lenses, the physics of the optics affect the quality of out of focus areas rather differently from the nature of refractive lenses. That's not good/bad, blur vs. bokeh, but something else, the nature of "quality".

I think this discussion evolved into the question of the differences between DOF and bokeh, not to debate the finer nuances between the definitions of bokeh and blur.

That may be a fine discussion, especially if we want to discuss focus depth and quality, motion blur and so on.

Is this an objective (agreed definition based) discussion or a subjective interpretation issue?

Not wanting to start something here, but are we talking about the same things in the same way?
Oh dear, br br Quality doesn't necessarily map to... (show quote)


No, bokeh is a high quality blur. If it is not pleasing it is not bokeh. If it is bokeh, by definition, it can not be bad.

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Jun 6, 2014 07:36:01   #
Himat Loc: Toronto
 
MadMikeOne wrote:
I keep seeing forum members referring to "bokeh". Could someone please explain what it is, how to get it, and when it might be wanted?
Just dumb it down for me.
Thanks guys and girls


I tried this one at f2.8



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Jun 6, 2014 07:42:52   #
h1h1d4mje
 
Bokeh mean a nice, smooth out of focus background. You get if by using a wide open shutter, example f1.8. you want it on a close up of something like a flower or a portrait.

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Jun 6, 2014 07:47:55   #
RDH
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Actually I believe bokeh IS the blur not the quality of it. You can have either a pleasant bokeh effect (good) or a unpleasant (bad) bokeh effect. :)


No you can't. The blur is either bokeh or it is not. If the blur is not of a pleasing quality, then it is not bokeh. Bokeh has been described as a smooth creamy pleasing blur. Lighthouse is right on. If some of you insist on redefining the word bokeh then it looses all value. Frankly I think it has.

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Jun 6, 2014 07:58:27   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Bokeh seems to be what photographers (including me) talk about when they have exhausted everything else to talk about!

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Jun 6, 2014 08:02:32   #
RDH
 
amehta wrote:
So, by that definition, it can be good or bad, right? Glad we finally agree. :-)


I am afraid not, what Lighthouse has been saying, and he is quite right, is that bokeh is a quality of the blur, not the quality of the blur. It is always pleasing or it is not bokeh.

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Jun 6, 2014 08:08:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MadMikeOne wrote:
I keep seeing forum members referring to "bokeh". Could someone please explain what it is, how to get it, and when it might be wanted?
Just dumb it down for me.
Thanks guys and girls

Gee, only five pages so far? Must be a slow day. In case someone hasn't posted something like this yet, you can make your own boken shapes.

http://www.overstuffedlife.com/2014/02/how-to-make-heart-bokeh-for-valentines.html

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Jun 6, 2014 08:10:55   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Bokeh is not much different than what you see in motion pictures but probably never noticed. Bokeh draws your attention to the subject. Good luck and welcome. Don't be afraid to ask questions.
MadMikeOne wrote:
Thanks for the examples. Things are finally becoming clearer as far as the blur is concerned.

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Jun 6, 2014 08:57:08   #
daveaddo Loc: Gods own county, Yorkshire
 
Here is an example of good Bokeh, INHO.



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Jun 6, 2014 08:57:40   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
MadMikeOne wrote:
I keep seeing forum members referring to "bokeh". Could someone please explain what it is, how to get it, and when it might be wanted?
Just dumb it down for me.
Thanks guys and girls


It is the out of focus background texture that you get using a fast lens with a wide aperture. Some lenses do it well, some do not. You want it when you are trying to keep your subject in focus and isolate it from the background which may be distracting.

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Jun 6, 2014 09:07:26   #
Iconoscope Loc: New Mexico
 
MadMikeOne wrote:
I keep seeing forum members referring to "bokeh". Could someone please explain what it is, how to get it, and when it might be wanted?
Just dumb it down for me.
Thanks guys and girls


"Bokeh", noun, Japanese origin, meaning: "bad photography"!

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Jun 6, 2014 09:20:50   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
MadMikeOne wrote:
I keep seeing forum members referring to "bokeh". Could someone please explain what it is, how to get it, and when it might be wanted?
Just dumb it down for me.
Thanks guys and girls


Mike, it is the pattern formed by the out of focus bit of a photograph, generally caused by depth of field. That pattern is created by the combination of the lens elements and the iris of the lens.

It is not something the photographer can really control. It is a feature of a lens brought about by the overall design of the lens itself. It's one of those terms that fauxtographers seem to think is important enough to make a part of their vocabulary.
--Bob

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Jun 6, 2014 09:21:50   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
[quote=lighthouse]It comes from Walmart in packs of a dozen for $4.99. :-)

You are asking the wrong question.
Do you mean, where does blur come from?

I now have the answer to my question. See my reply to Bob.

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Jun 6, 2014 09:27:53   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
rmalarz wrote:
Mike, it is the pattern formed by the out of focus bit of a photograph, generally caused by depth of field. That pattern is created by the combination of the lens elements and the iris of the lens.

It is not something the photographer can really control. It is a feature of a lens brought about by the overall design of the lens itself. It's one of those terms that fauxtographers seem to think is important enough to make a part of their vocabulary.
--Bob


Thanks Bob. Your response coupled with Catmarley's have cleared this up for me.
Let's just put this one to bed. The questions in my OP have been answered to my satisfaction.
Seriously, thank you to all. You all helped in one way or another.
Mike

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