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Jun 5, 2014 12:24:03   #
aggiedad Loc: Corona, ca
 
If you are just getting stated, a great program to use is Microsoft live photo gallery. It offers the ability to adjust lighting, contrast, sharpening, stitching for panoramas, cropping, and a host of other controls. And best of all, it's free. Other programs such as Lightroom, Photoshop, Photoshop elements, etc. Will do a great deal more, but Photo Gallery is a great place to begin, and may be all you really need.

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Jun 5, 2014 12:37:09   #
Old Redeye Loc: San Mateo, CA
 
AndyCE wrote:
Ok first let me say I have no intention of offending anyone! I'm very new and trying to learn as much as I can from such a wealth of info you all provide.
What I don't understand is if photography is art, which I know it is! Why do we need tools to enhance the pictures we take? Shouldn't they stand on their own? Shouldn't the person and the camera be the only tools that is needed?
I haven't uploaded one photo yet! But every photo I think I should upload I do a auto correct. (That is how much of a beginner I am). I can understand for professional people you want to provide the best possible pictures for your client. I dunno, maybe when does the editing end and the art begin?
Saying photos aren't art unless they're right out of the camera is like saying paintings aren't art if you use something other than a brush. Cameras are far more limited than the imagination. I print what I see, not what the camera sees.
Thank you all for your patience!
Andy
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Jun 5, 2014 12:38:14   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
TheDman wrote:
If painting is art, why do we need different brushes and paint colors?


:thumbup:

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Jun 5, 2014 12:48:46   #
AndyCE Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
aggiedad wrote:
If you are just getting stated, a great program to use is Microsoft live photo gallery. It offers the ability to adjust lighting, contrast, sharpening, stitching for panoramas, cropping, and a host of other controls. And best of all, it's free. Other programs such as Lightroom, Photoshop, Photoshop elements, etc. Will do a great deal more, but Photo Gallery is a great place to begin, and may be all you really need.


Is that the one that comes with Office 2010? If so I have been using it, mostly the "auto correct" option. I also D/L Picassa. As someone else pointed out, I first need to know my camera, and the basic photography skill set. I do like the idea of just learning one PP program too. Lots to learn! :)
Thanks!
Andy

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Jun 5, 2014 12:50:21   #
AndyCE Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Wow! Point taken! :thumbup:
Thank you Red Eye!
Andy

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Jun 5, 2014 12:55:29   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I think it is a valid question. My answer is to consider the art of film making. A movie can shoot for 60 days and be in post production (editing, color grading, etc.) for up to a year. In the past professional photographers often hand colored their prints and used a variety of darkroom techniques to enhance their prints. The average person didn't have access to this equipment or techniques, but now they do.

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Jun 5, 2014 12:59:30   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Now that's art, and/or photography! Beautiful work!

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Jun 5, 2014 13:01:27   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
idaholover wrote:
Now that's art, and/or photography! Beautiful work!


In reference to Red Eye of course?

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Jun 5, 2014 13:04:04   #
ksman38 Loc: Windsor, Virginia
 
AndyCE wrote:
Ok first let me say I have no intention of offending anyone! I'm very new and trying to learn as much as I can from such a wealth of info you all provide.
What I don't understand is if photography is art, which I know it is! Why do we need tools to enhance the pictures we take? Shouldn't they stand on their own? Shouldn't the person and the camera be the only tools that is needed?
I haven't uploaded one photo yet! But every photo I think I should upload I do a auto correct. (That is how much of a beginner I am). I can understand for professional people you want to provide the best possible pictures for your client. I dunno, maybe when does the editing end and the art begin?
Thank you all for your patience!
Andy
Ok first let me say I have no intention of offendi... (show quote)


Andy,

In simplest terms, the exposure is the same as a latent image on film, post- processing is the final "print' after development and printing by either yourself or any of the old film finishers.

Keith

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Jun 5, 2014 13:17:19   #
Old Redeye Loc: San Mateo, CA
 
idaholover wrote:
In reference to Red Eye of course?


Thanks. Glad you liked it.

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Jun 5, 2014 13:18:43   #
Old Redeye Loc: San Mateo, CA
 
Thanks for starting an interesting read. I totally enjoyed it, even though some of it was repetitive.

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Jun 5, 2014 13:20:36   #
Psergel Loc: New Mexico
 
[quote=Meives]
AndyCE wrote:
Andy, you are going to start are very large thread, and that's OK. Let me start by saying Ansel Adams worked for hours on his negatives to burn and dodge (make better ) his work. I use Photoshop Elements. Most of the members use some form of Photoshop. You can be proud if you take a perfect picture, but in todays world....perfect out of the camera is not good enough. Tiny things in the background can be cloned out and images can be cropped and many other things. I promice you that post process fixing can be as much fun as capturing the photo. Good luck. David
Andy, you are going to start are very large thread... (show quote)


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Jun 5, 2014 13:22:08   #
WayneW Loc: South Carolina
 
Brett Weston burned his negatives before he died. Why? He said no one else would print them the way he did. Who writes a novel without editing it? I edit most everything I shoot, even though I do what I can in camera to get the best image I can in the first place. Still, there's almost always an (improvement?) that can be done. Keep shooting and start editing; you'll see!

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Jun 5, 2014 13:33:01   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
In the era of film if you loaded a camera, took pictures, and did nothing else you would only have latent images sitting on a roll of acetate in your camera.
In the digital era the same actions would yield a memory card with 0's and 1's on it, until processed by the minimal software in the camera. In the first case you need a darkroom to develop and print your images. In the second example you need a computer and inkjet or chemical printer to produce images. In both examples the end result can be manipulated and modified by the skill of a technician. If not, you gamble on getting the off color; too light or too dark results we suffered thru with drugstore printing and faded color images.

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Jun 5, 2014 14:09:02   #
RedAdmiral Loc: Humboldt County, California
 
No camera works exactly as the human Eye/brain do. When you show someone a photo you are trying to communicate something; The wonder of nature, cuteness of a child, the energy of a race car. Post processing can help you say what you want to get across. Softening the image in a portrait can make it a romantic statement, while exaggerating sharpness can lend an edgy tone to it. One for a lover another for a criminal. The more controls you can master the greater your precision as an artist/communicator. Post processing is one of those tools.

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