QualinD wrote:
I'll keep this short and sweet. The minimum wage needs to be no more or less than 15 dollars an hour. That whole "prices will go up and jobs will be lost" excuse is ridiculous. CEOs quintuple their salaries every year and nothing happens. Preventing blue collar workers from starving between paychecks is not gonna kill anyone. Either raise the minimum wage to a decent, reasonable level or get rid of it. That is all...
Here is the reply to that premiss: If I need to have a job done that literally "anyone" can do, and jobs are difficult to find, as they are now, there will be many, many, more people vying for those jobs. People with higher education for instance, and older workers that are on early retirement etc.
Employers will naturally fill those jobs with the highest level of people available, thereby eliminating the workforce entry level opportunities for those who have nothing special to offer.
If a potential worker can never get a start, how will they ever become employable? If one wants to see a model of that scenario take a look at India, Haiti etc. Years ago I was visiting Haiti to scout business locations. I stayed at a hotel that provided a Doorman, and while I was waiting for my ride I had a conversation with that Doorman. It came out that he had earned an Accounting degree, but until someone with that special training passed away or left the country he had no chance to get hired as an Accountant, and as a matter in fact he had to wait 2 years to get hired as a Doorman. In the USA Entry Level jobs are just that; a starting position. A place to learn how to function successfully as an employee, and as experience is gained with the work process and education is obtained, they can become qualified for more meaningful work and can move up in the workforce. Employees are generally paid what their work product is worth to the employer in his effort to make a profit. It's a hard truth, but if you are not contributing to making a profit for the operation that is paying you, then you are not needed.
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Welcome to UHH.
Pay workers more, we spend more. When we spend more, more jobs are created.
The "prices will go up and jobs will be lost" excuse is ridiculous, as you say. It is counter-intuitive and illogical.
Mike
If that premiss was a valid one our government should provide a credit card to every newborn at birth and fund it with $100,000 a year. That way the USA would be the most prosperous country in history. Hmmmm wait a minute....where would the government get the money to give away? That's the problem with government socialism...eventually it runs out of other people's money.
OK....if there's no bad effects of raising the minimum wage let's raise it to $250 per hour. $250 would make everyone rich and we would be able to get rid of almost all welfare and social programs as no one would qualify based on low income.
Actually.....of course this would destroy the economy. The fact is only about 3% of workers are at minimum wage. It's also a fact that some workers simply aren't even worth a low minimum wage....so minimum wage laws keep them unemployed.
rrforster12 wrote:
If that premiss was a valid one our government should provide a credit card to every newborn at birth and fund it with $100,000 a year. That way the USA would be the most prosperous country in history. Hmmmm wait a minute....where would the government get the money to give away? That's the problem with government socialism...eventually it runs out of other people's money.
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I was right. Seattle just recently agreed to raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars. People are waking up. When others realize the benefits of a living wage?
QualinD wrote:
I was right. Seattle just recently agreed to raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars. People are waking up. When others realize the benefits of a living wage?
Tell me, Qualin, what's going to happen to summer jobs for h.s. and college students? Why should people living at home with their parents make a living wage? I remember those first jobs of mine....I had no bills and everything I made was mine to spend. I had more spending money then than I did until my kids finally left the house.
QualinD wrote:
I was right. Seattle just recently agreed to raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars. People are waking up. When others realize the benefits of a living wage?
You are categorically wrong.The cost of living will also rise and make the new base wage meaningless.
You should be championing better jobs,not better base wages.
Wake up.
QualinD wrote:
I was right. Seattle just recently agreed to raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars. People are waking up. When others realize the benefits of a living wage?
I believe that Seattle will be an excellent example of what happens when the minimum wage is artificially inflated. Example: As soon as Obama changed the minimum to $10.10 for Federal related operations, all the fast food shops announced that they are closing their on-base stores and relocating to off-base sites. That type of operation just can't handle the increase in labor cost and maintain their menu prices. Seattle may very well experience the same thing, or some variation of it.
venturer9 wrote:
Yep, over a 7 year period.. not today.... BUT... h... (
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Errr..all your links are dead.
yhtomit wrote:
Errr..all your links are dead.
Good Grief they certainly are... sorry.. I copied and pasted them directly off of the articles I was reading... Will try to find the same articles...
Mike
Looks like the same URL, but it came up .?????????????????
Mike Hopefully it did for you..
PNagy
Loc: Missouri City, Texas
SteveR wrote:
Tell me, Qualin, what's going to happen to summer jobs for h.s. and college students? Why should people living at home with their parents make a living wage? I remember those first jobs of mine....I had no bills and everything I made was mine to spend. I had more spending money then than I did until my kids finally left the house.
Are saying in a round about way that increasing the minimum wage will result in unemployment?
PNagy
Loc: Missouri City, Texas
rrforster12 wrote:
I believe that Seattle will be an excellent example of what happens when the minimum wage is artificially inflated. Example: As soon as Obama changed the minimum to $10.10 for Federal related operations, all the fast food shops announced that they are closing their on-base stores and relocating to off-base sites. That type of operation just can't handle the increase in labor cost and maintain their menu prices. Seattle may very well experience the same thing, or some variation of it.
Interesting, but specious attempt to refute increasing the minimum wage on its tendency to destroy jobs, i.e., cause higher unemployment. A complex phenomenon cannot be understood by looking at one or even a few aspects of it. I have examined the effect of all 20 increases of the minimum wage on unemployment since 1950. Six months after they took effect, they had actually produced a slight decrease in unemployment. Without doubt, there were some casualties of raising the minimum wage, but their stimulating effect on the economy canceled those out.
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