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Should We Do Away With The VA Healthcare System?
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May 27, 2014 15:14:25   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
Thombar wrote:
While there are some major issues with VA care I would like to put a plug in for the Kerrville, TX., Tulsa, OK., and Muskogee, OK., veterans hospitals and clinic. I'm a Viet Nam vet and have been receiving services from the system since 1997 and from these three locations the system has always worked well for me. While improvements could always be made I am so grateful for the excellent doctors and nurses that have taken care of my medical needs (and there are several) in a timely and competent manner. Without them I would have been on the streets years ago...
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May 27, 2014 18:39:37   #
orvisk
 
the VA is a form of health insurance; especially if you are in the system with a permanent disability rating. You can go to any hospital in the world and get care that will be covered by the VA as long as you declare/notify the VA within 24 hours; that's the rule of engagement. If you have a non-life-threatening illness but need care relative to surgery and need to go outside the VA system then the wait can be 6-8 weeks; if you have a heart attack call the ambulence and the VA wil cover it. Those who ALREADY are in the system with a serious illness that is already been diagnosed as terminal could face a long wait for further treatment.

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May 27, 2014 18:45:42   #
mutrock
 
Yes. Why do we need the VA? Give the vets vouchers/insurance for the best private health care they can find.

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May 27, 2014 18:52:37   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
mutrock wrote:
Yes. Why do we need the VA? Give the vets vouchers/insurance for the best private health care they can find.


have you really looked at those voucher proposals... thats a joke. get part of your body blowed away, but when your voucher tops out it is out of your pocket till the time frame is met.. yeah boy you have a really gop attitude. :roll:

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May 27, 2014 19:07:16   #
mutrock
 
So what about the VA makes them better than private health care. A voucher by definition does not have to run out. You are referring to voucher proposals by criminal politicians. Not what I am talking about. Do you believe the government provides the best health care?

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May 27, 2014 19:16:01   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
mutrock wrote:
So what about the VA makes them better than private health care. A voucher by definition does not have to run out. You are referring to voucher proposals by criminal politicians. Not what I am talking about. Do you believe the government provides the best health care?


then you need to be lil more explicit, that is the plan of the gop on vouchers. is there an answer for who gives best care.

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May 27, 2014 21:55:04   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
Gitzo wrote:
The last subject we should be engaged in over Memorial Day weekend is the hapless handling of the medical care for the people who have made the most personal sacrifices for this country. Instead of honoring them properly we are having a national debate about who screwed up and why these venerated Americans are not receiving the services they deserve.

Thankfully, Steven T. Miller has been relieved of duty as a result of the whole affair. Oops, that is the wrong guy who was about to retire and became a sacrificial lamb. He was the temporary head of the IRS who left three minutes early from his job after the IRS fiasco. Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health at the VA, who announced his retirement a year ago and had a successor picked, is the new fall guy that the Obama Administration thinks is going to assuage the concerns of Congress and the American people. God forbid it works. The healthcare of our veterans is too important.

This is a completely separate issue from the huge backlog of disability claims that the Obama Administration has focused on and partially relieved. This is about the massive medical care system developed during the 20th century which became fully developed in the aftermath of the World War II. It now encompasses 153 hospital and 773 outpatient centers. This system came to fruition during a different time when medical care was less sophisticated and hospital care was less available. Despite this there is a backlog of 344,000 medical claims. The only real solution to this problem is to gradually phase out the segregated health care system for veterans.

There is no doubt that many good people work in the system and many good things are done for the veterans, but the argument ends there. If Americans would had seen in full glory the inadequacy of the system provided for our veterans, they would have erupted and never allowed Obamacare to pass. The poorly operated and politically manipulated system displays in HD multi-pixel glory the inability of the federal government to operate a medical system.

I spoke with Dr. John R. Ammon who is an anesthesiologist. He is not a pedestrian doctor, having trained at both Harvard and Stanford, and then later becoming the President of the American Board of Anesthesiology. Ammon worked several days a month for five years in the recent past at the VA hospital in Phoenix which has come under fire from whistleblower Dr. Sam Foote.

Ammon stated “VA medical care is typically for veterans who cannot afford the private health care historically utilized by the majority of Americans. The VA system is commonly used as a teaching facility, utilizing government-employed doctors and frequently physicians nearing retirement.” Ammon believes that the standard of care is definitely below the level provided at nearby private hospitals.

When Dr. Ammon was asked whether he agreed that the VA Health Care System should be ended, he concurred with one proviso. The military has certain facilities that treat soldiers coming from combat areas with conditions like blast and burn injuries which are highly specialized and do a superior job. The level of care for the average veteran in the VA system is below standard and Ammon believes it would be vastly improved in the private and university health care systems throughout America. Ammon declared that “the VA system, a ‘single-payer,’ government-run bureaucratic system, is exactly where medical care is ultimately headed under Obamacare for all U.S. citizens.”

Ask yourself these simple questions: if a veteran has a medical emergency, why should that person not be sent to the closest medical facility near their home? If a veteran needs continuing physical therapy, why do they have to be located near a VA facility to receive that care and why does their family have to move near the VA facility to be close to their loved ones? Why can’t their care be delivered at a location close to their home or at their home?

If VA hospitals are such a quality system, why don’t our seniors have such a system set up for their care under Medicare? The answers are simple: the system is an anachronism and should be dismantled. The veterans should receive vouchers or a medical card that allows them to receive care at the best location for them. The system is dysfunctional and needs to be phased out. It is nothing more than a system of rationing medical care that is resulting in the death of honored Americans.

We can spend the next year pointing fingers and extracting recriminations. General Eric Shinseki has been in charge of the Dept. of Veteran Affairs the entirety of the Obama Administration. He may have been a capable boss when wearing four stars on his shoulders, but he has been an atrocious overseer of the vast bureaucracy that does not snap to attention. For over five years he has presided over a system in decline, but now he tells us he is the man to fix it. He says he is the second most angered person over this matter next to our President, but what will they do? The VA Health System should not be fixed, it should be dissolved.

That is why on this Memorial Day you should think about the various organizations that clean up after the VA. The ones that take care of what the VA Health System does not do for our finest public servants. Consider a gift to the Wounded Warrior Project or the Semper Fi Fund. Or if you want to think of the people currently in the service, consider Operation Gratitude.

Please don’t leave the care of our veterans and current service people in the hands of the government. It is clearly not up to the job.
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Everything the government touches it screws up. Privatize the VA and get our veterans the quality help they need and have earned. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 27, 2014 22:43:31   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
dljen wrote:
I'm ahead of you...as always. I suggested the other day that the vets be incorporated into the regular health care system. Around here, a VA center isn't available unless you want to drive hundreds of miles. Something should be done since they're getting sub-par care and think they're getting great care.


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May 27, 2014 22:44:50   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
mutrock wrote:
Yes. Why do we need the VA? Give the vets vouchers/insurance for the best private health care they can find.


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May 27, 2014 22:45:08   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
bcheary wrote:
Everything the government touches it screws up. Privatize the VA and get our veterans the quality help they need and have earned. :thumbup: :thumbup:


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May 28, 2014 00:57:35   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
dljen wrote:
I'm ahead of you...as always. I suggested the other day that the vets be incorporated into the regular health care system. Around here, a VA center isn't available unless you want to drive hundreds of miles. Something should be done since they're getting sub-par care and think they're getting great care.


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Ok Dr. Bama Texan you support BOS Dona and I'm especially quoting: " Something should be done since they're getting sub-par care and think they're getting great care."
#1. " Something should be done since they're getting sub-par care ..." give proof of your declaration of sub-par care.
#2. "and they think they're getting great care" just who else would be able to address that other than those who are getting the care? Why would a stranger off the street be able to address such a statement with authority?

I use the VA facilities. And from your other posts, it seems you do not. And definitely Dljen doesn't either. So how do you gain you knowledge upon this subject?

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