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Feb 9, 2012 17:58:15   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
MWAC wrote:
I also don't think the OP is going to post these or any pictures,from the dozen weddings she has under her belt for C&C.


I know that I wouldn't if I couldn't figure out what to do without flash.

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Feb 9, 2012 18:20:26   #
Billie34 Loc: Ohio
 
What is OP? I really don't care what you think, actually. The fact is I can't post any of the pics from the weddings that I have done because they were with a film camera and the people I photographed have the negatives. Plus the ones that I do have are 2 hours away in storage in a rubbermaid box. I just got my Nikon in June and haven't done any weddings since then, but if it will make you happy I WILL post some of those. The wedding is in May.

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Feb 9, 2012 18:24:14   #
greyeagle Loc: N. E. Texas
 
Billie I hope that the wedding and the pics turn out great and wish you the best of luck, sometimes we all need as much luck as we can get. taking weddings pics is a awesome responsibility and i for one am not sure that i would want to try something like that, so again Good luck!!!!

What i posted earlier was due to all the fussing.

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Feb 9, 2012 18:29:41   #
JimH Loc: Western South Jersey, USA
 
Billie34 wrote:
Up all of yours. I never said anything at all even close to saying that I was the one and the only wedding photographer or anything, I was just asking what I should do because I DONT KNOW. I thought that was what this forum was for anyways.
Calm down. You misunderstood. He was asking if you were going to be the ONLY photographer there, or if you were just doing a 'family favor', and there will be a pro there for the 'keepsakes'.

There is a perfectly valid response to your question that comes to mind, because if you Don't Know What You're Doing, you should NOT be the only photographer there. If you don't know the normal and reasonable equipment needs for an indoor wedding, you need to step back and say, "Hey. I may not be as knowledgeable or as savvy as I NEED TO BE to do a good job here, especially for family member."

Several members have told you that your consumer-grade kit lenses may not be adequate for the job. Indoor shots in dim to poor light, as most churches have, require a faster (f/1.2-f/3) lens with stabilization. You probably won't be using a tripod inside either, except perhaps AFTER the ceremony for the posed shots.

I suggest you seriously consider your skill level before taking on a "professional" job, and instead, if you want to do this as a career, try to apprentice with a pro in a training mode to learn what you admit you do not know.

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Feb 9, 2012 18:30:19   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Billie34 wrote:
What is OP? I really don't care what you think, actually. The fact is I can't post any of the pics from the weddings that I have done because they were with a film camera and the people I photographed have the negatives. Plus the ones that I do have are 2 hours away in storage in a rubbermaid box. I just got my Nikon in June and haven't done any weddings since then, but if it will make you happy I WILL post some of those. The wedding is in May.


OP refers to the Original Poster, which would be you in this case.
You need to realize that you are asking people to KINDLY give you advice (that is why you wrote, isn't it?). Responders asked you questions because they felt they needed more information to give you the advice you sought. They were not judging or putting you down. Though opinions on this forum might vary, everyone is trying their best to be helpful.

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Feb 9, 2012 18:32:15   #
Rhonda
 
I guess it just depends on the way your taught to corespond and encourage people. Multiple question marks can be intrepreted as, "you've got to be kidding me or are you serious?" All capped words can be taken as raising your voice or an insulting tone, and teenage slang used is usually used in negative conotation. Maybe this time it was not meant that way.....I sure hope not. I did not agree with the OP reply, but I can see why she felt as if she was being insulted or made to feel inferior. That is why I gently reminded her to, "keep calm and carry on." Let's just be encouraging to everyone, we all had to get our start in the business somehow. I know there are people who have devoted a lot of time and money to a formal education in photography, and I totally respect those professionals and there knowledge. I am not formally educated in photography, but I am able to make a nice supplement to my other part time job because of the rual area I live in where there are not a lot of photographers. I read all I can, soak up all the advice I can get, and take several thousand pictures a month. Slowly but surely, I have built up my skills, knowledge, and confidence. So, I know what it is like to have a consumer grade camera and be told that I just couldn't do it, but I am so thankful for the people that have believed in me and encouraged me. I hope I can pay that same encouragement forward. :) Best Regards to All!

steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Rhonda wrote:
Shame on the people above that were not very positive and condescending when coresponding with you


Rhonda, I don't think anyone was condescending when they were asking the questions that were asked. They were merely trying to establish all the criteria needed to offer useful opinions.

If anyone should have been ashamed, it would be the OP for the way she treated people trying to help.

Judging by the tone of the conversations at present, I suspect some PMing has taken place between any of the parties to whom this would pertain.

P.S. Those are some very nice shots.
quote=Rhonda Shame on the people above that were ... (show quote)

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Feb 9, 2012 18:36:47   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Rhonda wrote:
but I am so thankful for the people that have believed in me and encouraged me. I hope I can pay that same encouragement forward. :) Best Regards to All!



I'm curious.

When you were getting help from those people who believed in you did you tell them "up yours!" or to stick it where the sun don't shine?...

Or did you treat them with the same respect you expected from them?

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Feb 9, 2012 18:39:59   #
JimH Loc: Western South Jersey, USA
 
Oh, and Amazing BillieJo you may well be, but even Karsh of Ottawa didn't put THAT pretentious of a watermark on his shots... :)

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Feb 9, 2012 19:41:24   #
woodworker236 Loc: Western, Pennsylvania Home of the first JEEP
 
rpavich wrote:
Rhonda wrote:
but I am so thankful for the people that have believed in me and encouraged me. I hope I can pay that same encouragement forward. :) Best Regards to All!



I'm curious.

When you were getting help from those people who believed in you did you tell them "up yours!" or to stick it where the sun don't shine?...

Or did you treat them with the same respect you expected from them?

Now thats a good question, did you get an answer?

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Feb 9, 2012 21:05:43   #
Ben Gump
 
Are you saying that no flash can be used even before or after the wedding? I never use flash during the wedding, but I have never had a problem with that before or after. Take some from the back with the tripod and no flash and the kiss with the flash. That is at the end and you can always ask for forgiveness rather than permission on that one.

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Feb 9, 2012 21:06:05   #
MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy
 
I'm done with this... good luck to the OP, hope the images come out and are amazing. I know I'm not up to the challenge but I am in awe of those who do wedding photography and do it well.

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Feb 9, 2012 21:24:42   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
MWAC wrote:
I'm done with this... good luck to the OP, hope the images come out and are amazing. I know I'm not up to the challenge but I am in awe of those who do wedding photography and do it well.


I don't blame you.

My advice- rent a faster lens (a fave of wedding shooters seems to be 70-200 f2.8), respectfully ask for limited use of your flash, and humbly apologize to CaptainC and PM him for expert advice.

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Feb 9, 2012 22:35:40   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
ShooterOR wrote:
wilsondl2 wrote:
I have never done a wedding that if pictures were allowed at all during the ceremoney that I could not use a tripod. My advice would be set up at the back of the Church (if there is one the balconey is best) and take your pictures. Their are lots of places in the ceremoney that their is no action use them. Take wide angle to tele. In film days we used ASA (DIN) 100 film and shot as slow as 1/2 sec and got shots that sold and were loved. Put your DIN as high as you can without too much noise and shoot wide open. You may have to focus on manual. Get with the couple and take your beautiful pictures where you have enough light. The cerimoney pictures are more of record shots. Jut a question? When someone asks for help doing a wedding why do people just tell them how dumb they are for doing it and never give advice? - Dave
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I always shot Vericolor II (160 asa) but rated it at 100. (I stopped shooting weddings about 15 years ago.) I never used flash during the ceremony. Always used a tripod and spot metered before and during the ceremony. I used either a Mamiya TLR or Med Format SLR (mirror up-- no one likes to hear your mirror!) with a cable release. Flash was generally allowed before (or after) during the "studio shots". Lenses were always at least 2.8 or faster-- with the exception of my Mamiya 200 f/4. The only exception to the "flash in the church" rule was with Mormon weddings-- and no photography (including the ceremony) was allowed for those.
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With today's high DIN you can go a 3 stops slower than we could in film days. By the way I am a Mormon and wrote an piece that is in Jack Curtis's "Wedding-Portrait Photography World" on doing Mormon Weddings. - Dave
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Just curious: are photos ever allowed in the temple?

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Feb 9, 2012 23:22:48   #
Bruce M Loc: Northern Utah
 
I don't know any thing about your camera but you can crank up the ISO and open up your Fstop and get some good shots even in real dim light. Bruce M.

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Feb 10, 2012 00:21:32   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Well Bruce M actually you can't if your camera is not one of the latest higher end types that have a good or excellent low noise sensor.

If you have a lower end camera that is not that good in low light you will get some terrible looking image in low light if you elect to push the ISO settings way up. And opening the lens all the way does not do much to help either if you max. opening at 200mm is on 5.6 or higher sometimes.

Your statement about being able to get some good shots would only be valid with something like the D7000 or equivalent, and unfortunately that is not what the OP owns.

To validate your statement you would need to know what camera they have and what lenses they have at their disposal. You stated that you did not know this in your post, so how are you able to make your statement about them being able to get some good photos in dim light, by doing what you suggested? I understand you are just trying to help, so don't get me wrong.

I'm also assuming here that you know what a good photo would be. Just by looking at the back of your camera after a shot gives absolutely no good indication of how good your shot was. They almost always look sharp and well exposed until you zoom right in. The only real way to be sure if you feel it is a slightly questionable image, is to bring it into your computer and enlarge it there to see the quality/noise/sharpness.

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