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May 20, 2014 12:47:45   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
venturer9 wrote:
To me the sadder aspect of the post is that so many people will but this stuff...

No buyer, no seller....

Mike


Mike, some people will buy anything for souvenirs. Why not the museum sell it and get the money it produces. If they didn't sell momentos or whatever you want to call them, someone else would. It's the way of the world. Not especially classy but sometimes you just have to go with it.

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May 20, 2014 12:48:54   #
kemo Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Delderby wrote:
He opened it - surely he could close it (the goulish souvenir shop)


Can the British PM close a shop in Britain that he finds distasteful ? Of course not; same thing here. Obama can make a ruckus if he wishes but the owners can (an would) tell him to shag off.

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May 20, 2014 13:06:47   #
chrisvv2014 Loc: Washington D.C.
 
I will say that I bought a 9/11 Memorial flag last year and proudly hung it outside our house the entire week of 9/11 in memory of everyone involved. And I plan to do the same for as long as I live (the brother of a good friend of mine died in WTC 1).

I bought it from another website though and I understand both sides of the discussion.



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May 20, 2014 13:41:53   #
UXOEOD
 
Delderby wrote:
Well when you've been a member for a bit longer perhaps your opinion as to how this forum should work will gain more credibility


That is telling them Delderby, let those ignorant new-bees listen to the wise old timers like you, way back to what, Feb 13? How many years, and posts do they have to post before you will grant them speaking rights in Chit-Chat?

Thank you, you never fail to amaze and amuse me, Ole Timer you!

BTW, what size tin foil hat do you wear?

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May 20, 2014 14:45:53   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
[quote=whole2th]Mossad Agent posing as Al Qaeda, AGAIN!!

A few weeks back National Public Radio did a short feature about Adam Gadahn being sentenced for his "terrorism" activities. Gadahn is a grandson of an Anti-Defamation League board member. Gadahn (Adam Pearlman) allegedly 'converted' to Islam and rose quickly in the ranks to become a media spokesperson and poster boy 'jihadist' for Al Qaeda.

This is reminiscent of Israelis dressing as muslims to plant bombs in the King David Hotel.

Anyway, I used to donate to NPR which I now refer to as National Jew Radio because of the high percentage of reporters and anchors who are Jews.

Here's the 'convert' in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

NPR [NJR} reports Gadahn (Pearlman) got 5 years sentence.

Fakes. These criminal Jews are fakes who do their deceptions in order to blame the muslim world.

The motto of Mossad: "By way of deception, thou shalt make war."

These fake "Al Qaida" Pearlman videos are conveniently always obtained first by a U.S gov't contractor called Intel Center. This company is owned and run by Ben Venzke, a Jew. IntelCenter is an offshoot of of IDEFENSE, which was staffed by senior PSYOP officer, Jim Melnick(Jewish), who worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld for a time. Intel Center is probably getting these "Jihad" videos straight from Mossad HQ in Herzliya, Israel.[/quote]

So we killed an innocent man, Osama Bin Laden?
Let see, Jews posed as Arabs and committed suicide, then OB took the credit, what for, 10 years till he was killed? Never giving an inkling of such an idiotic thought. It seems to me it would have been more helpful to him to point but prove this fact out, instead of taking credit. He would have hurt the Jews far more, after all, he hated the Jews, and the reason for the event was to get at America because we back Israel. Disclosing such a truth would have put a large wedge between America and Israel, something he was trying to do with the attack.

So give us BS as to why he took the event, as his planning and doing, to his grave? BECAUSE HE DID IT!!!

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May 20, 2014 15:02:09   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Ka2azman wrote:
So we killed an innocent man, Osama Bin Laden?
Let see, Jews posed as Arabs and committed suicide, then OB took the credit, what for, 10 years till he was killed? Never giving an inkling of such an idiotic thought. It seems to me it would have been more helpful to him to point but prove this fact out, instead of taking credit. He would have hurt the Jews far more, after all, he hated the Jews, and the reason for the event was to get at America because we back Israel. Disclosing such a truth would have put a large wedge between America and Israel, something he was trying to do with the attack.

So give us BS as to why he took the event, as his planning and doing, to his grave? BECAUSE HE DID IT!!!
So we killed an innocent man, Osama Bin Laden? br... (show quote)


I was with you, Ka2azman, until the last two paragraphs.

No, Bin Laden didn't do it and no proof has ever been provided to prove he did.

Blowing up things and getting Arabs blamed for it is a Zionist MO. Remember the Lavon Affair and the King David Hotel?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html

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May 20, 2014 15:21:25   #
bodacious Loc: Oregon
 
larrypayne wrote:
I was with you, Ka2azman, until the last two paragraphs.

No, Bin Laden didn't do it and no proof has ever been provided to prove he did.

Blowing up things and getting Arabs blamed for it is a Zionist MO. Remember the Lavon Affair and the King David Hotel?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html


I just did some internet reading concerning Zionism. As I know little about Zionism here are a couple things below for your consideration.

http://zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm


This runs a little long for reading so I apologize but found it interesting.

Is Zionism a Mental Illness? - Ex-Director, US Army War College in Veterans Today

I disagree with one assertion made by Dr. Sabrosky, that most American Jews hold primary loyalty to Israel. I am not aware of statistical evidence of that, and that has been far from my experience. Most American Jews I know are downright anarchists and think ALL nation-states are bullsh!t. Sabrosky is part Jewish on his grandmother's side. He is former Director of Studies (a dean-like position) at US Army War College, and hold the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of research. Dr. Sabrosky's teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).

Sabrosky also renames Zionism as essentially "Jewish nationalism," another point of disagreement to me. I see Zionism is a political philosophy which has nothing to do with Judaism, is indeed anathema to it according to many scholarly declarations such as the 1925 statement of the Rabbinical Court of the Orthodox Community of Edas Yeshurun in Hungary. According to the Rabbis, Zionism is a heresy and an "abomination" since Israel is not to be established until the coming of the Messiah, when all nation-states would become irrelevant and all, not just Jews, would share in the peace and Kingdom on Earth. In their 1925 statement the Rabbi's pronounce:

Association with the Zionists is forbidden according to the Torah and our tradition. Zionism is a disgusting abomination. This announcement is based on all aspects of Jewish law. Every Jew who fears G-d will certainly accept our statement under the Code of Jewish Law and shall not stray from it to the left or the right.
(See Jews Against Zionism HERE, and HERE.)

As a Marine, Sabrosky declares his loyalty to be "America, first, last, and always." Dr. Sabrosky is of the opinion that 9/11 was a false flag attack executed by Israeli Mossad and treasonous domestic elements to draw the US into the destruction of Iraq.

In Veterans Today Sabrosky contends:

1. Zionism is a real witches’ brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism, and militarism that places it way outside of a “mere” nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the PIRAs or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;

2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not...

3. The “enemy” of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America’s target list)...
So the question is, as Sabrosky describes it, Zionism is a form of paranoia that the whole world is against you at all times. Therefore, would this make Zionism a mental illness?

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May 20, 2014 15:26:51   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
marblclear wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize that being new to the forum had anything to do with credibility. Based on some of the feed back you have been getting on your comments I'm not sure your tenure on this forum means anymore than my newness. I think before you conclude anything about a person you need to pay attention to their words. I suspect what I said may have struck a nerve.


I have no nerves - I am my own man. Again, if you were to read and understand, credibility described the opinion you ventured - which, as a newbie, was hardly appropriate. i.e. wait until you grow up.

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May 20, 2014 15:36:23   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
kemo wrote:
Can the British PM close a shop in Britain that he finds distasteful ? Of course not; same thing here. Obama can make a ruckus if he wishes but the owners can (an would) tell him to shag off.


I agree - neither could close a shop that they found distasteful - but they could bring pressure to bear - which I believe is what I suggested. It's called wheels within wheels. It would not require a "ruckus" just something a bit more subtle.

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May 20, 2014 16:12:19   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
kemo wrote:
Can the British PM close a shop in Britain that he finds distasteful ? Of course not; same thing here. Obama can make a ruckus if he wishes but the owners can (an would) tell him to shag off.


When the photo of Lil' Kim'ie, the cherubic supreme leader of North Korea with the muppet haircut, was used to advertise for a UK barber, the poster "went away" after a meeting with some North Korean embassy staff. Complains were made at the governmental level, I am sure they were told it might be wise to remove it though were not legally compelled to do so. I would have printed thousands and sold them. I thought it was great! And the story behind it disturbing- as are all things north Korean.

Maybe we need to get our back up on some things. The difference between the other sites mentioned in the various replies is taste and time... it is too soon to be tasteful.

http://news.sky.com/story/1243853/n-korea-escalates-kim-jong-un-hair-poster-row

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/world/europe/uk-barbers-kim-jong-un-bad-hair/

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May 20, 2014 16:25:25   #
marblclear Loc: Sacramento CA
 
Delderby wrote:
I have no nerves - I am my own man. Again, if you were to read and understand, credibility described the opinion you ventured - which, as a newbie, was hardly appropriate. i.e. wait until you grow up.


Would you please give me a timeline as to when you can bestow upon me the status of no longer being a newbie. What does it take for someone to reach your esteemed status on this forum. I don't think mentioning civilized conversation is inappropriate or showing lack of maturity in this or any venue. Your calling me out over my comment not only demonstrates a lack of maturity but just goes to show what horses behind you are. We're done.

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May 20, 2014 16:35:37   #
warwoman Loc: NE Georgia Mtns.
 
marblclear wrote:
Would you please give me a timeline as to when you can bestow upon me the status of no longer being a newbie. What does it take for someone to reach your esteemed status on this forum. I don't think mentioning civilized conversation is inappropriate or showing lack of maturity in this or any venue. Your calling me out over my comment not only demonstrates a lack of maturity but just goes to show what horses behind you are. We're done.


Hey Marbleclear, don't let a foreigner run you off. Post 1 or post 1000, you are welcome here. He needs to be worrying about his own country's muslim problems!

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May 20, 2014 16:41:32   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
larrypayne wrote:
I was with you, Ka2azman, until the last two paragraphs.

No, Bin Laden didn't do it and no proof has ever been provided to prove he did.

Blowing up things and getting Arabs blamed for it is a Zionist MO. Remember the Lavon Affair and the King David Hotel?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html


I don't care about the Lavon affair and King david hotel!

This post was about the WTC. You claim Bin Laden didn't do it. Why are you speaking for him when he had 10 years to speak for himself and deny it. Who are you to speak for him. No proof, he relished and accepted the idea that he planned and carried out the attack, even making statements that he was going to do more.

So your assertion is that, he was false in his assertions that he took claim for the action in the WTC, and you claim for something the Israel's did. That makes him a liar, and the Al-Qaeda is also a liar. Because Al-Qaeda relished the idea of them taking the responsibility for the WTC. At no time did Al-Qaeda say we didn't do it. Only you with this supposition claim it making it was all subterfuge by Israel.

So Israel and Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were in on it together. They would have to be. BO and his organization takes the blame and relishes it and never even suggest Israel did it. Get real!

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May 20, 2014 16:48:15   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
bodacious wrote:
I just did some internet reading concerning Zionism. As I know little about Zionism here are a couple things below for your consideration.

http://zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm


This runs a little long for reading so I apologize but found it interesting.

Is Zionism a Mental Illness? - Ex-Director, US Army War College in Veterans Today

I disagree with one assertion made by Dr. Sabrosky, that most American Jews hold primary loyalty to Israel. I am not aware of statistical evidence of that, and that has been far from my experience. Most American Jews I know are downright anarchists and think ALL nation-states are bullsh!t. Sabrosky is part Jewish on his grandmother's side. He is former Director of Studies (a dean-like position) at US Army War College, and hold the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of research. Dr. Sabrosky's teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).

Sabrosky also renames Zionism as essentially "Jewish nationalism," another point of disagreement to me. I see Zionism is a political philosophy which has nothing to do with Judaism, is indeed anathema to it according to many scholarly declarations such as the 1925 statement of the Rabbinical Court of the Orthodox Community of Edas Yeshurun in Hungary. According to the Rabbis, Zionism is a heresy and an "abomination" since Israel is not to be established until the coming of the Messiah, when all nation-states would become irrelevant and all, not just Jews, would share in the peace and Kingdom on Earth. In their 1925 statement the Rabbi's pronounce:

Association with the Zionists is forbidden according to the Torah and our tradition. Zionism is a disgusting abomination. This announcement is based on all aspects of Jewish law. Every Jew who fears G-d will certainly accept our statement under the Code of Jewish Law and shall not stray from it to the left or the right.
(See Jews Against Zionism HERE, and HERE.)

As a Marine, Sabrosky declares his loyalty to be "America, first, last, and always." Dr. Sabrosky is of the opinion that 9/11 was a false flag attack executed by Israeli Mossad and treasonous domestic elements to draw the US into the destruction of Iraq.

In Veterans Today Sabrosky contends:

1. Zionism is a real witches’ brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism, and militarism that places it way outside of a “mere” nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the PIRAs or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;

2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not...

3. The “enemy” of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America’s target list)...
So the question is, as Sabrosky describes it, Zionism is a form of paranoia that the whole world is against you at all times. Therefore, would this make Zionism a mental illness?
I just did some internet reading concerning Zionis... (show quote)


Your link was obviously produced by Zionists.
If you really want to know how Zionists have affected the U.S., listen to Benjamin Freedman who was associated with the Zionists who convinced President Wilson to enter WWI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8

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May 20, 2014 16:50:23   #
whole2th
 
Look who makes an industry by cementing mythologies in the public mind... The brainwashed masses are awakening.

Anyone who does not know the name "Philip Zelikow" is in for a treat--a real, living, despicable myth-maker.

New documentary I've not seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D2HhLHed7U

Tell us how muslims rigged Building 7 for demolition, and how the BBC knew to announce that Building 7 had already collapsed--before it actually collapsed.

The US has a Jewish crime network problem ... not a muslim problem. Their abominable lies are unraveling quicker by the day.

The Archie Bunker mentality overlooks that Jews control the Federal (not) Reserve (none), Hollyweird, mainstream media, Congress (via AIPAC, extortion and bribes), Wall Street and most of the Federal ABC agencies.

How much chance is there, Archie, of a sharia takeover when there is only 1 muslim and 30% zionists in a Congress of 535 servants of Israel?

TODAY TELLING THE TRUTH IS A REVOLUTIONARY ACT

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