venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

In other words,,,, YIKES.... yep,,, well,,,, erg,,,hummm.... well they don't know what they are doing, cant find a job so they join up into the Socialist Military......... you are seriously beginning to sound like LarryPayne here.....

Mike

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

Please answer a serious question. Socialism is a system where you work for the government and the government provides all of your needs, why doesn't that fit the military? Is it because you don't want it to fit the military?

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

BECAUSE it doesn't fit and so far I have asked you (I believe) to explain how you get to that belief....... you have not answered, just said the same thing again...

Mike

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

socialism is a form of GOVERNMENT forced on its people by itself.... YOU have no option except to leave the country...

I said why I do not believe that the Military can be determined to be Socialists..... You have not explained why they should be..

Mike

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

You said your father was a military man in the army. If he was around during the Viet Nam War then he was also around during the cold war. At a time when we were fighting against socialism and his twin brother communism. Did he share his views with you on the cold war as well? Wouldn't that mean that our military was fighting against it's self? So confusing...

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

way tooooooo much Fox news

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

This has nothing to do with Fox News. What dat heck you say man?

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

I was just about to ask the same thing, ,,, if he was answering my previous post, I have no idea of what he meant..

Mike

user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32

you are mistaken about the definition of socialism.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

All I can go by is the Defination I find in the various Dictionary's...

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so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
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Merriam-Webster

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Full Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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Dictionary.com
so·cial·ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

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Oxford Dictionary


socialism
Syllabification: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm /
NOUN

1A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.1Policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.2(In Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

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The Free Dictionary

socialism (ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm)
n
1. (Economics) an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels. Compare capitalism
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system
3. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need

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Investopedia
Definition of 'Socialism'

An economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production. Socialism emphasizes equality rather than achievement, and values workers by the amount of time they put in rather than by the amount of value they produce. It also makes individuals dependent on the state for everything from food to health care. China, Vietnam and Cuba are examples of modern-day socialist societies. Twentieth-century socialist governments were overthrown in Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the U.S.S.R.

Investopedia Says
Investopedia explains 'Socialism'

While capitalism is based on a price system, profit and loss and private property rights, socialism is based on bureaucratic central planning and collective ownership. Proponents of socialism believe that it creates equality and provides economic security and that capitalism is an inferior system that exploits workers for the benefit of a small, wealthy class. Critics of socialism believe that it is based on faulty principles and ignores human nature and the role of incentives in economic transactions.

These are pretty much all the same, a little different wording, but basically the same definitions...

Mike

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

I explained it quite clearly, you are plainly argumentative and I am not interested in that.

papayanirvana Loc: Kauai

So I would have to say that you are taking the Marxist point of view on Socialism. Let me ask you this, are you against public education? public transportation? libraries? food and assistance and medical care for the needy? These are the aspects of socialism that apply to our country, the USA... not the expired Soviet Union or China 20 years ago.

wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ

If I may answer. it has been the stated goal of the Right to not allow any of those things for the public good. They must be only for the rich. Before everybody raises hell-- Ryan's budget has always said no more for you, all for the rich. If we give it to you we can't afford to give to the rich. He claims that the makers are the takers and ignores the fact that he gets a 6 figure salary for a job of nothing more than bitching.

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

Don't know about the Marxist point of view, but I doubt that....

The examples you give, once more, are OPTIONAL to me...I do not have to take public transportation, or take my child to school (Home schooling don'tcha know) I don't have to go into a library.... even more so now with the internet, I have explained many times that my community and I imagine quite a few others in this USA have much food/clothes/etc. available for those in need.... we do a much greater good with better success that our government never has or ever will with out the outlay of massive amounts of cash. Until ObamaCare came around, nobody was REQUIRED to have health insurance.. I am not saying that they should not have had it,,, they just were not required to have it...

SO, I do not accept the premise that all of the above are Socialism.... WHEN all of those are REQUIRED for you and I to use, then it would probably be a form of Socialism...

The following is my idea of WHAT Socialism is and I do not believe for one moment that we Are a Socialist Society at this time...

an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels

\Mike

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

When it is tax payer supported it is not socialism. The more power you give to your government - the more control your government has over you.