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May 3, 2014 21:24:53   #
dlay Loc: Maynardville, tn
 
Maybe they can bring up Bill Clintons BJs again, they sure spent a bundle on that, oh well...

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May 3, 2014 21:25:39   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
ramapo wrote:
First, what cover-up? The White House releases an email. If they were covering up, they wouldn't have released it ever. Let everyone agree, yes Congress should have had that email a year ago. And that would have mattered how?

Would it have changed any of the following?
I won't paste in the entire Republican Committee report issued in February. In this snippet, even the Republicans have to acknowledge that there was no orders to stand down from the White House, no dereliction of duty. On and on it goes. Testimony up the wazoo. Countless hours spent. And the Senate did its thing too.

Both bodies issued reports that were critical. Few dispute that there were not operational and policies mistakes. And that is the difference between reasonable people and wackos.

Reasonable people say that was an awful thing that happened, this is what wasn't done right, this is what could be done better. Wackos start down the road of treason, impeachment, blah blah blah. Stuff that the normal vast majority of Americans have no patience for.

The Republicans have shot their wad on the ACA. They issue a report on Benghazi shutting down all the crazy theories. They hate that Obama got Bin Laden and helped get rid of Gaddafi. They got nothing so now they have to go down another rat hole full of bullshit.

Do they hold hearings on improving security at consulates?
How about helping the CIA? How about anything remotely useful to making the United States a better place?

No, they pick up some bullshit email that the White House releases, (some cover up) and go bat shit thinking they finally got him now....impeachment baby here we come.

News flash, this is just another in a long string of stupid things done by the party of stupid.

"Majority members believe the regional and global force posture assumed by the military on September 11, 2012 limited the response. Majority members recognize, of course, that it is impossible for the Department of Defense to have adequate forces prepared to respond immediately to every conceivable global contingency. Ensuring that preparations exist for some likely possibilities is not to be confused with the ability to anticipate all prospective circumstances, especially in highly volatile regions.

Majority members acknowledge that embassy security involves estimating and managing risk. Department representatives appearing before the committee pointed out that some danger will always be present, regardless of the preparations, especially in tension-prone areas of the world.64 Before the Benghazi attacks, there was also the presumption (in Libya and elsewhere) that indigenous forces would be more helpful in protecting Americans than proved to be the case.65

Given the military’s preparations on September 11, 2012, majority members have not yet discerned any response alternatives that could have likely changed the outcome of the Benghazi attack. While majority members are reluctant to disagree with specific tactical decisions made by professional career uniformed officers in the heat of battle and they believe the U.S. military performed well in responding to the attacks, it is nonetheless necessary to evaluate thoroughly the choices commanders made.

Limitations on situational awareness
Majority members also believe that the military response may have been complicated by the lack of much real-time knowledge of what was transpiring on the ground. The dearth of information seems relevant when considering how commanders shaped their response to the attack. For example, about 20 minutes after the attack started, CIA security personnel from a nearby CIA facility (informally known as “the annex”) raced to the SMC. Once there, CIA personnel exchanged fire with the attackers and then, joined by the SMC survivors, fought their way back to the annex. Amidst sporadic fire, that facility then took two discrete attacks, including a mortar barrage that killed CIA security personnel Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.66
Significantly, however, DOD reported to the committee that General Ham and some others at AFRICOM did not know the annex existed before the attack on the SMC began.67
Learning about a second facility in Benghazi amidst an attack may have complicated the military’s process of assessing events and response options, in part because the second location was both an attack target and a U.S. security resource. Although the committee will continue to explore this point, majority members believe a combatant commander’s apparent unfamiliarity with a vital detail in his Area of Responsibility further illustrates the deficiency of the review undertaken by the White House before September 11, 2012.
In addition, briefers reported that those attempting to respond to or assess the Benghazi attacks often used cell phones to communicate.68 Obviously, that communication technique in a location with an underdeveloped telecommunications infrastructure poses difficulties. Further, 18 As the committee was told, the first drone (and one that replaced it later) was able to provide information to “rear headquarters,” but personnel there believed the data was insufficient to guide the development of “operational judgments.”19
In considering possible threats in the AFRICOM region before the Benghazi attack, General Ham told the committee he personally dismissed the prospect of requesting a higher alert status or repositioning some U.S. F-16s. This is because he doubted their utility to any threat his command might face on September 11.77 Even after the attack started, General Ham and others in the Department discounted the possibility of beginning the process to arm and dispatch one or more of these fighters. Officials also worried about the presence of shoulder-fired Surface-to-Air missiles in Libya, the difficulty of vectoring any planes safely over the desired location, and the challenge of distinguishing friend from foe on the ground.78 "
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One other revelation about the F-16's was that they were stationed at a NATO base in Italy, over 2 hours away from the embassy. It was the Base Commander's decision not to send the F-16's.

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May 3, 2014 21:27:40   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
SBW wrote:
You lost all credibility immediately after your first statement. The White House did not just release the e-mail. The White House released that e-mail this week because of a FEDERAL COURT ORDER. They did not release it because of the goodness of their heart and they are trying to move things along. They released it because they were ordered to. There is clearly a cover up going on here. That particular e-mail could have been released over a year ago. They have been dragging their feet, stalling and attempting to withhold information. Well they have now been caught with their hands in the cookie jar-again. It does not matter whether you are partisan or not it is clear that is what is happening-even the Washington Post stated that. If you can not see that you are blind with hate, stupid or both.
You lost all credibility immediately after your fi... (show quote)


You described yourself to a T with that last sentence, Thank you.

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May 3, 2014 21:28:53   #
Accelerator
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
One other revelation about the F-16's was that they were stationed at a NATO base in Italy, over 2 hours away from the embassy. It was the Base Commander's decision not to send the F-16's.


And the base commander overrides the commander in chief oh yeah it wasn't a sanctioned drone hit so I guess so

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May 3, 2014 21:34:38   #
SBW
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
You described yourself to a T with that last sentence, Thank you.


Don't waste your time. What you think of me is really none of my business.

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May 3, 2014 21:44:47   #
Hoot72 Loc: Lexington, KY
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
One other revelation about the F-16's was that they were stationed at a NATO base in Italy, over 2 hours away from the embassy. It was the Base Commander's decision not to send the F-16's.


Source please?

The fight lasted approximately 7 hours. And it was understood that the State Dept. was to take the lead in any response. Source: The General in charge of AFRICON who volunteered his testimony.

Two SEALS recognized the situation and circumvented STATE to go to the sound of gunfire and sadly lost their lives in the rescue effort while Bo and Hillary fiddled.

Sean Smith was one of the four victims. His mother, Pat, says she was told by Bo and Hillary ("...within inches of my face..." ) that the situation was due to rioting - not an attack with Al Qaeda components. She was also told the perps would be sought out and justice would be dealt. That was two years ago. Nothing has since happened, and even though she was told she would be kept up to date, to this day though now they admit it was an attack, Pat has not been contacted by Bo or Hillary.

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May 3, 2014 21:49:44   #
Hoot72 Loc: Lexington, KY
 
dlay wrote:
Maybe they can bring up Bill Clintons BJs again, they sure spent a bundle on that, oh well...


Do you really think a thorough investigation to reveal the truth would be more costly than unwise voting across the nation because of not knowing the truth? And what about world-wide reaction? We have already seen some consequences of unwise inaction in the case of the Ukraine and elsewhere.

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May 3, 2014 22:01:32   #
Accelerator
 
Hoot72 wrote:
Do you really think a thorough investigation to reveal the truth would be more costly than unwise voting across the nation because of not knowing the truth? And what about world-wide reaction? We have already seen some consequences of unwise inaction in the case of the Ukraine and elsewhere.


Do not forget that Russia now controls transportation to and from the space station

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May 3, 2014 22:08:15   #
compfly
 
about time

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May 3, 2014 22:25:39   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
One other revelation about the F-16's was that they were stationed at a NATO base in Italy, over 2 hours away from the embassy. It was the Base Commander's decision not to send the F-16's.


To my information that is a crock of crap. Had Obama authorized it the flight would have been made.

Also crap is a video of Leon Panetta saying the U.S. doesn't send people into dangerous areas when we don't know what the dangers are. That is simply put a crock of crap. When I was a door Gunner in Vietnam courtesy of the USMC we regularly flew into areas having no idea what was awaiting us. Our only motive was somebody needed to get out right now. THAT is how the U.S. Military handles situations such as Benghazi under administrations other than this one.

I also saw General Lowell recently. His statement was he knew it was a terrorist attack but received no orders from the Commander in Chief to deploy.

So all of you George Bush haters , what was Obama doing the night of Benghazi? Why won't he say what he was doing? I wonder where the transparency is?

Dennis

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May 3, 2014 22:39:57   #
compfly
 
He was probably thinking out his next fund raising trip.

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May 3, 2014 22:42:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
compfly wrote:
He was probably thinking out his next fund raising trip.


Since he went to Las Vegas the following day I suspect you are right.

Dennis

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May 3, 2014 22:42:25   #
Accelerator
 
dennis2146 wrote:
To my information that is a crock of crap. Had Obama authorized it the flight would have been made.

Also crap is a video of Leon Panetta saying the U.S. doesn't send people into dangerous areas when we don't know what the dangers are. That is simply put a crock of crap. When I was a door Gunner in Vietnam courtesy of the USMC we regularly flew into areas having no idea what was awaiting us. Our only motive was somebody needed to get out right now. THAT is how the U.S. Military handles situations such as Benghazi under administrations other than this one.

I also saw General Lowell recently. His statement was he knew it was a terrorist attack but received no orders from the Commander in Chief to deploy.

So all of you George Bush haters , what was Obama doing the night of Benghazi? Why won't he say what he was doing? I wonder where the transparency is?

Dennis
To my information that is a crock of crap. Had Oba... (show quote)


That was actually my point Dennis. The STERILE commander in chief never gave an order unless it was for another cocktail on the back 9 or for another high dollar plate fund raiser.

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May 3, 2014 22:43:40   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Yup.

Dennis

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May 3, 2014 23:28:11   #
Gronka
 
What will the dollar amount that this committee incurrs cost the taxpayers? This from the same congress that voted to not support veterans because it would cost too much. Just wondering why money is available now. I couldn't be for "gotcha" reasons could it?

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