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Apr 3, 2014 20:21:08   #
mikedidi46 Loc: WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
 
Martin wrote:
Do you use auto Iso or manual. I recently switched to auto ISO
since the camera is much smarter than me. Images are coming out much better.


I was told by a Professional Street Photographer that he uses Program mode w/Auto ISO. This way he never misses a shot. I found this interesting.

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Apr 3, 2014 20:21:22   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
brokeweb wrote:
O.K.N Cali boy... with your smart-ass remarks. What's your solution?


Ouch!!..... I don't want to get between you and whoever it is that you are mad at, but I just wanted to let you know I was on your website and have to say I love your digital artwork. To me it is fabulous!

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Apr 3, 2014 20:34:21   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
mikedidi46 wrote:
I was told by a Professional Street Photographer that he uses Program mode w/Auto ISO. This way he never misses a shot. I found this interesting.


A lot of street photography was done with film, in fact, in the timeframe since Henri Cartier-Bresson, I would say the overwhelming majority of street photography, and journalistic photography was done at a specific ISO (used to be called ASA, for the oldsters among us), and I would say that few shots were missed. It has to do with how you set your camera and how well you understand the light. If you don't really own the lighting thing, then you will need to rely on auto ISO. If you do, setting the ISO to a nominal value that works all the way around, like 800 or so, you are not likely to miss many shots either. If you go into a darker situation, then you know to adjust things accordingly. It all has to to do with experience and knowledge of your gear's capabilities.

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Apr 3, 2014 20:36:28   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
USMC wrote:
Nightsky, I too have the D800 and unless I read you wrong you stated that the 800 did not have auto ISO. That took me immediately to my camera and under the "Menu" setting there is the capability of setting the camera on auto ISO. My auto ISO is on and I went one step further by directing the camera toward a window with light coming in to the darker floor. The ISO changed according to where I aimed the camera. The range went from a low of 100 to 6400 and everywhere in between, according to what part of the room I was aiming the camera at.
Nightsky, I too have the D800 and unless I read yo... (show quote)


Semper Fi my brother. Welcome to the HOG.

Dennis

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Apr 4, 2014 03:18:14   #
mechengvic Loc: SoCalo
 
Nightsky wrote:
Having learned this in the 1960's I never really used the auto settings. My current camera (D800) does not have an 'auto' setting for ISO, You have to choose it just like in the days of film. Only then you were stuck with that ISO rating for the whole roll. ISO, f-Stop and shutter speed all interact to get you the correct exposure. If you think of everything in 'stops' it makes it easier. Going from ISO 100 to ISO 200 is the same as going from f16 to f11, or going from 1/250 sec to 1/125 sec. Just remember that your digital camera has intermediate settings. Full stops are f2, f2.8, f4, f5.6, f8, f11, f16, f22, f32. Notice that if you take every other number, they double as you go up (2,4,8,16,32 - and 2.8, 5.6, 11,22). These are you primary 'full' stops. Some cameras offer half stops in between, some have 1/3 stops.

Shutter speed has full 'stop' equivalents also. 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60, 1/125, 1/250, 1/500, 1/1000. Changing one full 'stop' on your shutter speed is the same as changing a full f/stop on your aperture.

ISO is the same - prime ISO numbers are 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400 etc... each is double the former. So changing ISO from 100 to 200 is the same as changing from f/16 to f/11 or changing from 1/500 sec to 1/250.

So it comes down to what effect are you trying to achieve.

The lower the ISO number the less 'noise' in your image, and the further it can be enlarged without problems. Low numbers are for things that move slowly or not at all. Higher ISO numbers are generally used for freezing action or in low light situations.

Use a large aperture (f 2.8) to get a very small depth of field, if you want to produce bokeh - throw the background out of focus. Use a small aperture (f 16) for great depth of field for landscapes.

Use high shutter speeds to freeze action or low ones to show some blurring which can also show action.

If there is not enough light to use the aperture you need, you can lower the shutter speed or increase the ISO.

They all work together to give you the picture you want.

I imagine that the auto setting is convenient for fleeting moments when there isn't time to adjust your camera, but never having had the option with film I guess I don't miss it.
Having learned this in the 1960's I never really u... (show quote)


Great summary, I'm saving it for reference. Thanks!

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Apr 4, 2014 03:42:17   #
mechengvic Loc: SoCalo
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Moss, most of us(MOST, not all), are concerned with having minimal noise.
On Auto ISO, if you are on say Shutter Priority to not get motion blur, at say 1/500 and using a 2.8 lens, and the light is changing from light to dark, then dark to light, every 5 seconds. That would be a challenging shooting situation, at least it would for a rookie like me.
With Auto ISO, when it's light, the camera might set f8 and the ISO at 100. It will continue to do that till the aperture is maxed out. Once the Aperture reaches 2.8, the camera will start to ramp up the ISO, but NOT until then. It's NOT random! Say it has to go to 3200. You will get the pic, but it will be noisy.
If you set the ISO manually, you will need to set it at 3200.
So 1/2 of you shoots will be at f2.8 and 3200, and the other half will be at f8 and still 3200. So ALL your shots will have the noise of 3200, which WILL produce noise.
But on Auto ISO, 1/2 of all your shots would have been at ISO 100, and extremely clean. Better 1/2 clean shots than none at all!.
Moss, Auto ISO is just another tool on the camera. Don't get hung up on the Manual parts of the camera. There is a time to use all manual and a time to use what's best for the situation, including Auto Mode. Start thinking like a pro, and use what works best for the situation, to produce the BEST images. That's why all those modes are there! ;-)
SS
Moss, most of us(MOST, not all), are concerned wit... (show quote)


Fantastic point! Committing to memory, putting on the to do list, and moving one step closer to pro! ;)

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Apr 4, 2014 07:51:43   #
big d Loc: Rossendale Lancashire
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Big, I didn't see any smiley faces, does that mean you are actually serious?!
Just wondering since those are some pretty reckless statements to make.
Everybody has their photographic goals, depending on the intended purpose of their shooting.
One mans treasure at ISO 4000 is another mans BIN material.
And there are those that simply don't know the difference. :lol:
I'll assume you were joking.
SS

Perhaps, I also will, one day walk amongst the Photographic Camera Gods!!!!

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Apr 4, 2014 07:55:43   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
My approach, too:
Cdouthitt wrote:
If I'm shooting in an environment with ample light, I'll set it myself, to the default or Low setting (if it is really bright).

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Apr 4, 2014 10:59:32   #
architect Loc: Chattanooga
 
Mark7829 wrote:
As others have stated, there is a relationship between ISO, Shutter and Aperture. The more auto you use, you are letting the camera make choices and often make bad decisions. The fact that you are getting better pictures in auto is likely because you don't understand the relationship, triangle of ISO/Shutter/Aperture. This understanding will vault you from ordinary to extraordinary.

The reason why anyone comes into these forums is to improve on their work. Learn to shoot in all modes and avoid auto for the best possible work, work you will proudly share, print and frame.
As others have stated, there is a relationship bet... (show quote)
I certainly agree that the understanding of the exposure triangle will improve one's work. What I do not understand from your position and those of many of the others who do not appreciate the benefits of auto ISO, which allows for the ideal combination of aperture and shutter speed, the two creative controls, for any type of subject. Auto ISO will select the lowest and least noisy ISO given the desired creative controls of aperture and shutter speed, as others like Sharpshooter have noted.

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Apr 4, 2014 12:32:56   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
architect wrote:
I certainly agree that the understanding of the exposure triangle will improve one's work. What I do not understand from your position and those of many of the others who do not appreciate the benefits of auto ISO, which allows for the ideal combination of aperture and shutter speed, the two creative controls, for any type of subject. Auto ISO will select the lowest and least noisy ISO given the desired creative controls of aperture and shutter speed, as others like Sharpshooter have noted.


Hopefully, in the not too distant future technology will resolve the ISO/noise issue. To me it is the weakest link in the triangle. To freeze movement (high enough shutter speed) and keep the background sufficiently blurred (appropriate aperture opening) we have to pay in irregular, random specks scattered over the image.....not like film grain that was/is evenly distributed over the whole image.....like a mezzotint which can be used artfully sometimes. It will be nice when this noise issue gets fixed.

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Apr 4, 2014 12:50:22   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Martin wrote:
Do you use auto Iso or manual. I recently switched to auto ISO
since the camera is much smarter than me. Images are coming out much better.


I have a tremor in my left hand so I am somewhat forced to use shutter priority, so I don't use auto ISO. And if I have time I like to use manual. I like to think I can better control focus manually than the camera can.

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Apr 4, 2014 12:50:22   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Martin wrote:
Do you use auto Iso or manual. I recently switched to auto ISO
since the camera is much smarter than me. Images are coming out much better.


I have a tremor in my left hand so I am somewhat forced to use shutter priority, so I don't use auto ISO. And if I have time I like to use manual. I like to think I can better control focus manually than the camera can.

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Apr 4, 2014 23:29:37   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
With the newer anti-noise programs, it often doesn't matter but I still prefer a lower ISO. So it's normally manual.

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