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Apr 4, 2014 07:31:56   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
1. D4 Nf6
2. C4

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Apr 4, 2014 07:52:34   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
PNagy wrote:
Congratulations on a great shot Scott, but not on the message you are promoting with it. Another member posted a few pages back that he and a friend took the identical shots with L and non-L lenses and could see a distinct difference in every photo. Sharpness is not the alpha and omega of images, you said, and we could add, neither is low light capability, but when they are needed, the images are either lost or compromised when the lens is not good enough. Even when the lesser lens can do the job, it often requires being set on a tripod and precise manual settings, all of which can be done handheld and only a shutter speed or aperture setting with a good lens and a good camera.

The UHH advocates and professional reviewers of the L series all say the same thing about them. Scott can create terrific images, but there are conditions under which the lesser equipment will fail, even in his hands. If it is a paid gig and the shot is vital, the client will not want to hear the excuse that the black ceiling absorbed too much of the bounced flash.

A pro lens gives the following advantages, whether or not Scott admits that these have any chance of creating better images:

1. Better Build. Pro lenses are made of top quality titanium and better glass, while the inexpensive ones are often have many plastic parts. I dropped the Canon 70-200mm F2.8 about four feet onto a hard tile floor some five years ago. It works perfectly to this day. The weather sealing makes them much less likely to allow fine dust particles, or water to leak into them.

2. Wider Apertures. Primes can go to F1.2, most zooms to a constant F2.8, and the incredibly wide zoom F28-300mm to F3.5-5.6. This makes a substantial difference when the lighting is not adequate and a speedlite is not allowed or useful. The cheap lens will miss the last few shots at the park as the Sun is going down, while the pro lens can take perfect images in the same circumstances. Dim light at a wedding, compounded by a black ceiling and a no direct flash rule will leave the cheap lens striking out, but the good lens performing adequately.

3. Pro lenses have faster, quieter focusing motors, which once again results in some shots that are lost with a cheaper lens that hunts for the focus, or dials it in at a leisurely pace. Images from an inexpensive telephoto lens will miss many sports shots, as well as sudden entertaining moments that arise at indoor social events.

4. Clearly Better Images. Pro lenses produce more saturated color, less chromatic aberration, better contrast, and less distortion.

If you are an artist with the time to work at your own leisure, you may get away with a lesser lens. If you are a serious pro, you will not take the kind of chances with other people's images that the inexpensive lenses impose. If you are not a pro and can afford the L lenses, I cannot understand why you would not buy them.

Final word: The most important equipment is the photographer, so the great ones will consistently produce great images with lesser equipment, but they would produce even better images more consistently and with less hassle if they had pro lenses.
Congratulations on a great shot Scott, but not on ... (show quote)


PNagy

Very well spoken or should I say written PNagy! Thanks much.

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Apr 4, 2014 08:03:53   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I'm not the OP on the subject & didn't ask for input... I am merely saying that ,for many people, the top tier lenses aren't always a better option due to cost, weight & other options. For many people, They are overkill as all they do is display their images online & shown like that , or only smaller prints, the differences are not obvious. Personally I don't even shoot Canon, but that isn't relevant in the discussion anyway. As for non OEM lenses & the IQ of them, look at the macro image I posted for an example . I use a 30+ year old manual focus macro lens. The images resolution is top notch, even being used on a modern digital sensor. Plus the fact that's it's 30+ years old & still performs flawlessly speaks volumes about it's build quality. I never said "L" glass wasn't top notch, as it is, but it isn't for everyone as you are implying.
rob s wrote:
Scott. In spite of the fact that you asked for input on this subject you seem unconvinced. I haven't seen one reply that agrees with your idea that there are cheaper lenses that are a satisfactory substitute for the L series. I would grant you that some photographers speak well of certain of the Sigma lenses but other than that there's little to add other than to say that you should buy and enjoy these lower priced offerings and give us feedback in the future if your opinions change.

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Apr 4, 2014 08:24:41   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
jerryg wrote:
What is the differences between "L" lenses and the non - "L" lenses. Huge difference in price. Can you really see the difference or see it only on highly expensive laboratory optical glass analyzers. Could Canon or Nikon, or others ever make a bad lens or sell lesser hand glass.


Most people would not see any difference optically and don't use there equipment in a manner that build quality would matter.

"L" Advantages:

More robust.
Weather sealed.
Brighter image in the view finder.
Shallower DOF.
Faster auto-focus.
Extends the range of your flash.
Better resale value.

"L" Disadvantages:

Heavy.
Expensive.

But if you want to get the best possible out of your images and camera they are worth every penny assuming you have the right camera and know how to use them.

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Apr 4, 2014 09:29:39   #
Reinr Loc: Staffordshire. UK
 
I haven't read every post in this thread. However, I think it's fair to say that many photographers of worth would say invest in good glass. I recently bought my first L glass, 24-105L and it is amazing for the price. It's just a shame that the other lenses I would like to own are too expensive.

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Apr 4, 2014 09:40:07   #
haroldross Loc: Walthill, Nebraska
 
joer wrote:
Most people would not see any difference optically and don't use there equipment in a manner that build quality would matter.

"L" Advantages:

More robust.
Weather sealed.
Brighter image in the view finder.
Shallower DOF.
Faster auto-focus.
Extends the range of your flash.
Better resale value.

"L" Disadvantages:

Heavy.
Expensive.


I would like to disagree with your disadvantages. It is too generalized. There are several reasonably priced "L" lens such as the 24-105mm, the 70-200mm f/2.8L non IS, and the 70-200mm f/4 both the IS and non-IS versions.

As far as the weight goes, both of the 70-200mm f/4 lens are quite light. Having used "L" lens on a T2i, 7D, 6D, and 5D MK III, I have found them to be well balanced on these cameras. For me, the balance of the camera is of far more importance than the total weight.

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Apr 4, 2014 10:00:05   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Expensive is a relative term. ... People on fixed incomes may disagree as to what is affordable or not & I suspect many people on this site would consider the cost of the "L" lenses you listed as beyond what they would like to pay . I can't tell you how many posts I see where people are seeking out lenses costing no more than $500.... Granted, you pay for better quality, but , by the same token, you can overpay because of a brand name. The lenses you listed go from $650 or more on most sites ( I did find a "BGN" 24-105 on KEH for $546)... As for the weight, I do agree with you there as the F4 versions are considerably lighter than their F2.8 counterparts.
haroldross wrote:
I would like to disagree with your disadvantages. It is too generalized. There are several reasonably priced "L" lens such as the 24-105mm, the 70-200mm f/2.8L non IS, and the 70-200mm f/4 both the IS and non-IS versions.

As far as the weight goes, both of the 70-200mm f/4 lens are quite light. Having used "L" lens on a T2i, 7D, 6D, and 5D MK III, I have found them to be well balanced on these cameras. For me, the balance of the camera is of far more importance than the total weight.
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Apr 4, 2014 16:02:47   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
You're going round in circles, folks.
You're not going to persuade someone who has already resolved this to his own satisfaction.
He's not looking for a different view, simply validation of his own.

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Apr 4, 2014 16:07:52   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Expensive is a relative term. ... People on fixed incomes may disagree as to what is affordable or not & I suspect many people on this site would consider the cost of the "L" lenses you listed as beyond what they would like to pay . I can't tell you how many posts I see where people are seeking out lenses costing no more than $500.... Granted, you pay for better quality, but , by the same token, you can overpay because of a brand name. The lenses you listed go from $650 or more on most sites ( I did find a "BGN" 24-105 on KEH for $546)... As for the weight, I do agree with you there as the F4 versions are considerably lighter than their F2.8 counterparts.
Expensive is a relative term. ... People on fixed ... (show quote)


In general, a slower lens is going to be lighter than a faster one. Each element of the faster lens will have to be larger than the corresponding element on the slower one AND the faster lens will likely need an extra element or three to achieve the same level of IQ. The faster lens will also need heavier (and possibly more) opaque bits to hold the glass in place.

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Apr 4, 2014 18:38:25   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
rob s wrote:
You're going round in circles, folks.
You're not going to persuade someone who has already resolved this to his own satisfaction.
He's not looking for a different view, simply validation of his own.


I would have to disagree. I haven't been persuaded one way, or another. I simply can't afford anything right now, but.....I can't hardly wait to buy something.... Maybe soon. Thanks for your input.
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Apr 4, 2014 21:04:55   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Is the price of the L glass too high? You bet, but not as high as the price of consistently missing the shot during a paid shoot.

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Apr 4, 2014 21:26:17   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
PNagy wrote:
Is the price of the L glass too high? You bet, but not as high as the price of consistently missing the shot during a paid shoot.


I'll take your word for it. Thanks.

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Apr 4, 2014 23:44:17   #
whiplash3333 Loc: Cass City Michigan
 
It's stil the same "You Get What You Pay For. Gee "

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Apr 6, 2014 13:33:40   #
Cherihorn Loc: Toledo
 
Well, you all have convinced me that I do, desperately need to replace my kit 18-200 lens (which I've enjoyed since I seem to attract bad weather and hate switching lenses.) But I love big prints!

I've enjoyed reading all of your helpful posts. When I actually start shopping for a lens I get overwhelmed with the choices until I finally give up! Your thoughtful responses might get me to pull the trigger.

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Jul 18, 2014 04:07:03   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I seen many photo's taken with L lenses and non L lenses and I could not tell the difference. The reason could be that most of the pics I have seen were photoshopped, so is it worth it, in my own opinion hell no, why do that when you can correct sharpness, CA and color fringing and ect via PP?


I have a 50 mm F1.8 and on the other end a 24 105L,

There is no doubt whatsever which is the better lens. F 1.8 is much better than the F4.

The 50mm cost $100, the L cost $1000.

A Volkswagen will get you there so why buy a Cadillac?

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