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Mar 24, 2014 10:05:53   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
amehta wrote:
Yes, we should be encouraging to everyone who asks questions here.


NOOOOOOOO, I disagree, I think who come here AFTER you have done research. Gone on google and other sites and tried to solve the issue or gain knowledge. After you have exhausted every effort, please do come back and ask. BUT to come here with your first question is just WRONG. Please no more, What is a DSLR, how do I shoot pictures, how much should I spend, which is the best camera, lens, etc.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:19:56   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
Mr PC wrote:
Well put oldtigger. In my case, I have followed a progression from good P&S cameras to super zooms to a DSLR. And I was happy along the way. If someone suggested a drastic upgrade at most points in my journey, I think it would have done me a disservice until I had mastered what I already had and was ready to move up. I guess we need to be sensitive to tailoring advice to each person's particular situation, their budget and their aspirations.


My sentiments, exactly.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:21:04   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Mark7829 wrote:
NOOOOOOOO, I disagree, I think who come here AFTER you have done research. Gone on google and other sites and tried to solve the issue or gain knowledge. After you have exhausted every effort, please do come back and ask. BUT to come here with your first question is just WRONG. Please no more, What is a DSLR, how do I shoot pictures, how much should I spend, which is the best camera, lens, etc.

You have a point there. With so much information available online, why should we waste our time on UHH? Maybe we should petition Admin to shut it down. Or not.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:26:48   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
Here's another thought. I saw a demonstration at a Tony Sweet workshop of what one can do with an iPhone, an iPad and a bunch of PP apps from Apple. It was incredible. As good as any thing I've seen from the current DSLRs.

If I were 50 years younger than I am now, I would not invest any money into a camera, unless I was going to make my living with it.

I'd get an iPhone, iPad and lots of apps.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:49:24   #
chiya Loc: Wellsboro, Pa.
 
amehta wrote:
I think the medium term goals are very important to understand for a person to get the best equipment. But if they don't know or can't guess their medium term goals, we have to suggest things based on their current goals.

I think there are very few people who should get the D610 as their first DSLR or a f/2.8 pro zoom as their first interchangeable lens. I think most people benefit from getting used to a DSLR with an entry-level camera (D3x00/D5x00) with a consumer lens, until they decide exactly what would best serve their photographic goals. Maybe the next step is the D7100 or the D800, but not the D610. Maybe their next lens is the 70-200mm f/4, not the 24-70mm f/2.8 or 70-200mm f/2.8. Or maybe it's the 28-300mm plus the 85mm f/1.8. Very few people can make that choice well before they have their first DSLR. And those few aren't likely to ask us for advice.

I also don't think it makes sense to suggest $4000 of equipment instead of $1000, when the entry-level DSLR takes very good photos. Yes, the $4k will take slightly better pictures, but the skills of the photographer are a much bigger factor in the better pictures, so using the cheaper camera is fine to learn on.
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If I may interject here, speaking as one of those newbies, A month ago this would have made my eyes glaze over, As I wasnt even sure what an f stop was, now after reading reading reading and practicing, I at least know what you are talking about here,( some of the time ) One member here posted a (it was 6 pages long when I printed it out) list of the most common camera jargon and what it meant, That was absolutely the best thing anyone could have done for me. So I agree completely with those who are saying inquire about the newbies skill level, Don't overwhelm them with jargon and in case of a lot their budgets, I can't afford a lot of fancy lens which down the road yes would improve my pictures but for now I need to learn on what I can afford.
That said, I also think all of you do a fantastic job of advising and helping newbies such as my self along.

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Mar 24, 2014 11:14:42   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
Mark7829 wrote:
NOOOOOOOO, I disagree, I think who come here AFTER you have done research. Gone on google and other sites and tried to solve the issue or gain knowledge. After you have exhausted every effort, please do come back and ask. BUT to come here with your first question is just WRONG. Please no more, What is a DSLR, how do I shoot pictures, how much should I spend, which is the best camera, lens, etc.


Mark has a point here. There is something to be said for doing some research yourself in advance before joining a forum and making your first ever post: What Camera Should I Buy?

Spend some time looking at cameras and learning some of the features, technology, and terminology before posting a general question that is virtually impossible to answer.

This goes for just about anything. If you have zero experience with motorcycles you don't (at least you shouldn't) go into a motorcycle forum and ask what motorcycle you should buy. There is quite a bit more to it then that, just like cameras.

Speaking for myself, whenever I started to get into something new I tried to learn as much as I could on my own before posting in a forum or group. And I would spend a little time lurking in that forum keeping my eyes open and my mouth shut until I felt confident I could post in at least a somewhat reasonable and competent manner.

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Mar 24, 2014 12:35:54   #
doduce Loc: Holly Springs NC
 
Festus wrote:
I couldn't agree more ecobin. Just today there is a post: How much should I budget for my first DSLR? I interpret this as pure laziness on the part of the poster. It sounds to me that the person has no clue what any DSLR costs, or if there are any differences in them. The most important issue is, if the person can't determine their own budget, any DSLR will be beyond the scope of their figuring out how to use it ;~)


I assume since you shoot top end kit you are a very experienced photographer with the means to enjoy this calling at the highest level. But it might not be your desire to tolerate those with less background than you or to respond to the post you cite from today without calling the poster lazy. The question might not really be about money but that might be the way they ultimately get to the right set of considerations. It's about why they're taking up this hobby, what he/she wants to do, where/when/how much they will shoot, what level of photographic competence they have, what kind of PP will they do. They might not even know to ask these questions. It doesn't make them lazy or idiots--it shows us they are beginners on the journey. And if we, hopefully with a bit more experience, can guide them to answer those kinds of questions, they will decide what their budget should be.

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Mar 24, 2014 12:39:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
doduce wrote:
I assume since you shoot top end kit you are a very experienced photographer with the means to enjoy this calling at the highest level. But it might not be your desire to tolerate those with less background than you or to respond to the post you cite from today without calling the poster lazy. The question might not really be about money but that might be the way they ultimately get to the right set of considerations. It's about why they're taking up this hobby, what he/she wants to do, where/when/how much they will shoot, what level of photographic competence they have, what kind of PP will they do. They might not even know to ask these questions. It doesn't make them lazy or idiots--it shows us they are beginners on the journey. And if we, hopefully with a bit more experience, can guide them to answer those kinds of questions, they will decide what their budget should be.
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Mar 24, 2014 12:44:30   #
doduce Loc: Holly Springs NC
 
Mark7829 wrote:
NOOOOOOOO, I disagree, I think who come here AFTER you have done research. Gone on google and other sites and tried to solve the issue or gain knowledge. After you have exhausted every effort, please do come back and ask. BUT to come here with your first question is just WRONG. Please no more, What is a DSLR, how do I shoot pictures, how much should I spend, which is the best camera, lens, etc.


We ARE a form of research. And not just for beginners but for many with--supposedly--LOTS of experience with problems that could likely be solved in ways other than posting to this forum.

I think Tigger's point is this--if you don't want to help a newbie with basic questions in a polite, understanding, calm manner, then don't respond. That's cool and everyone will understand. If you do chose to respond, take into account the audience. It isn't an enthusiast but a beginner looking not just for information and facts, but for understanding, guidance and help.

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Mar 24, 2014 13:05:29   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
doduce wrote:
We ARE a form of research. And not just for beginners but for many with--supposedly--LOTS of experience with problems that could likely be solved in ways other than posting to this forum.
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I think Tigger's point is this--if you don't want to help a newbie with basic questions in a polite, understanding, calm manner, then don't respond. That's cool and everyone will understand. If you do chose to respond, take into account the audience. It isn't an enthusiast but a beginner looking not just for information and facts, but for understanding, guidance and help.
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Add to that, research is step two, learning from a teacher/mentor/guide is step one, and this forum can serve as a useful component of the guide.

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A lot of people should consider the "just move on" option. :-)

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Mar 24, 2014 13:25:55   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Mr PC wrote:
Well put oldtigger. In my case, I have followed a progression from good P&S cameras to super zooms to a DSLR. And I was happy along the way. If someone suggested a drastic upgrade at most points in my journey, I think it would have done me a disservice until I had mastered what I already had and was ready to move up. I guess we need to be sensitive to tailoring advice to each person's particular situation, their budget and their aspirations.


:thumbup: :thumbup: What I once thought were great photos I see quite differently now....still in progression mode even now. But it was encouragement that kept me loving photography and as I developed my eye and looked at endless photos from numerous photographers I kept growing. A little truthful nudge is better than a kick in the pants no matter how truthful it might be. Everyone has different goals in mind, too.

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Mar 24, 2014 13:30:50   #
doduce Loc: Holly Springs NC
 
amehta wrote:
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Add to that, research is step two, learning from a teacher/mentor/guide is step one, and this forum can serve as a useful component of the guide.

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A lot of people should consider the "just move on" option. :-)


Lots of times. Not just in this case. :)

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Mar 24, 2014 13:58:11   #
chiya Loc: Wellsboro, Pa.
 
mossgate wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: What I once thought were great photos I see quite differently now....still in progression mode even now. But it was encouragement that kept me loving photography and as I developed my eye and looked at endless photos from numerous photographers I kept growing. A little truthful nudge is better than a kick in the pants no matter how truthful it might be. Everyone has different goals in mind, too.


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so totally true, I don't need a kick in pants just some honest feedback and guidance, up until a month ago I never took my camera off auto because when I did I got really bad results mainly from not having a clue what I was doing, Like what the heck does white balance mean, now with a lot of reading on photography sites and advice here I am having a ball practicing all the new stuff I have learned,

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Mar 24, 2014 14:30:48   #
artwrkz Loc: Easley SC
 
Why doesn't the forum have a "Newbie" section and 'oldies' can choose whether to assist by reading the post and answering the questions.

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Mar 24, 2014 14:34:06   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Forums can be a terrifying place for a newbie. Some can be downright vicious... But NOT UHH! In my case, I lurked here for a long time before I actually bought a camera (not counting the OM-1 from decades ago or my pocket Nikon) and after much interweb research and budget consideration ended up with a FZ200 last November. A DSLR was out of the question $ wise. I've taken about 500 pics with it and feel somewhat familiar with the myriad of settings and choices crammed into the menus. It's only drawback is the sensor size, but I can live with that.

Fast forward to last week... Through our "Special Projects" division at my work, I just got a smokin' deal on a very slightly used D5200 with the kit 18-55 lens. Less than I paid for my FZ200... O.M.G. What a difference. And even MORE stuff crammed into menus. Now I want more glass already. I have THOUSANDS of questions now but what I've learned here is that I can sit back, be a little patient and the answers are either already here or someone else will ask. (And get slammed if it's stupid... just kidding)

This stuff is worse than crack.

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