Apsley 1812

Question the artist before he lays brush to canvas? Question a photographer before he presses the button? I think that is a case of putting the horse before the cart. How can you question
before the photograph is made and uploaded?



I have spent some time trawling through the various sections, I do like to be sure of my ground before jumping in. While I fully understand the Photo Gallery the Photo Analysis appears, to me, to be a little too restrictive to serve any real purpose. The Chat section is imo best given a very wide berth. Most of the more specialised sections are of little or no interest to me. The PC&A section, which this furore would appear to be about, is a little unfathomable to me. Why is it causing so much discord? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a place where "photographers" of all abilities can post their pictures to receive critiques from all? What precludes any particular person from from posting? I have read, and I hope understood, the rules, and I see nothing to say that a poster has to be an absolute beginner or nothing to say that a professional or advanced amateur may not partake.

Now I have to ask "why does this thread exist"?

christofras Loc: Gold Coast Australia

Question answered, I think your list needs to shortened somewhat.because there topics there that could be combined with others. Do you intend having a panel of judges...and how are they going to be chosen?

Nightski

Good question. Why indeed!

And you were correct in your assessment of the rules.

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

Welcome Apsley1812.
I like what you say.

winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia

A valid and important point, christofras, but if I may expand on your line of thought, it may be difficult to actually define exactly what would constitute the difference between over processing and what would be considered to be allowable.

Most images benefit from post processing and it is evident that most images posted in the section were manipulated to achieve the overall "look" of the image.

I have no problem with that by any means but by that very process, "problems" with a presented image would therefore fall into two categories which would require two wholly differing avenues of remedy.

If there was data loss due to camera technique or settings then the remedy would be entirely different from remedy due to data lost in over processing.

So with that preamble, it would be helpful to understand the actual degree of processing which was undertaken.

Cheers, Rob.

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

LOL what a joke winterrose. You are so transparent its almost ridiculous.
Someone new arrives on the scene, someone who appears to be balanced and know what they are talking about, and immediately winterrose adopts a reasonable demeanor with everyone.
And goes from abusing and insulting christo in every post and calling him a bogan to trying to appear like Mr Niceguy.
Get real rob, all your previous posts are still there.
I assume the new guy has read a lot of them.
You don't have to pretend.
You can continue to show your spots.

christofras Loc: Gold Coast Australia

It did not go unnoticed, however, it remains to be seen as to how long it lasts, Lighthouse. We will have to give him the benefit of doubt!

winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia

I hold no obsessive animosity to you or anyone else, christofras.

I treat people according to their demeanor.

Cheers, Rob.

winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia

Your obsession is becoming undeniable, lighthouse.

greg vescuso Loc: Ozark,Mo.

I enjoy this section and the format is good but for myself I have a hard time critiquing someones image because I don't have decades of expeirence or any formal training so all I can comment on is what I like and why.

Clyde141

It took me a couple of dozen pages to figure that out but now I know. Just for you!

Clyde141

Is there any way to do that? Does that include being able to see exif data for a photo? I know, from one of your posts that exif info can tell if a photo has been altered by some software

winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia

It can give that indication but it could refer to something as basic as conversion in format or image size. Rob.

christofras Loc: Gold Coast Australia

Are ?you eating "humble Pie"

Clyde141

I don't think that is what I said or, at least, not what I meant. Maybe I did not state it correctly. Not question before he presses the button, but as part of posting the photograph. These are just suggestions for consideration and I'm not writing the rules.

Actually, I agree with your comments on the discord. All the bickering that interrupts worthwhile comments from the majority who post here is not necessary. I don't need it. I'm about ready to become an ex member of UHH. There are forums where all this does not go on. Unfortunately, as with you, this was one of the first threads I happened to really look at after becoming a member of UHH. I'm not innocent in regard to adding to the bickering. In this thread I have been guilty through ignorance and guilty because some have posted totally uncalled for remarks that I just couldn't keep myself from replying to.