911 Memorial (Page 2): Professional camera or professional photographer? You are not getting paid for your photos. Whatever you do, don't bring a tripod, multiple bodies, or half a...

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Vanderpix wrote:

Has anyone here been to the 911 Memorial in NYC? They say no "professional" cameras are allowed whatever that means in this day and age. I was wondering if any of you had visited the site with a DSLR. I am going tomorrow Saturday the 28th and was wondering how much of a hassle I would get with my E-30 and 12-60 lens

Professional camera or professional photographer? You are not getting paid for your photos. Whatever you do, don't bring a tripod, multiple bodies, or half a dozen lenses.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Nikonian72 wrote:

Your E-30 is 4/3 format, far from "professional". If you are questioned, respectfully inform them that the sensor in your camera is the size of your fingernail, which is about a 1/3 the size of 35-mm film.

"Sensor? What's a sensor?" Keep in mind who will be deciding who gets to take pictures - not rocket scientists. I'm sure if you're quiet and respectful, no one will even notice you.

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

jerryc41 wrote:

Nikonian72 wrote:

Your E-30 is 4/3 format, far from "professional". If you are questioned, respectfully inform them that the sensor in your camera is the size of your fingernail, which is about a 1/3 the size of 35-mm film.

"Sensor? What's a sensor?" Keep in mind who will be deciding who gets to take pictures - not rocket scientists. I'm sure if you're quiet and respectful, no one will even notice you.

Keep in mind that NYC was the first location in the US that had to deal with terrorism. I'm sure the current law enforcement in NYC has the experience to determin when a tourist is a problem. If you use common sense you will not have a bad experience.

If there is a city in the US that entertains photography the most it would be hands down New York City.

k9moe Loc: Hornell, NY

Here are some I took when assigned there as a cop.

tinosa Loc: Grand Rapids Michigan

A quote from the rules:
" No photographic equipment larger than 8x17x19 will be permitted onto the Memorial."

Now what do you suppose they have in mind when they came up with those dimensions ?

steve03 Loc: long Lsland

Remember it is a memorial site and as you know more the 2000 people died there so if you are respectful and cooperate with instructions you should have no problems. The NYPD understands how important tourists are. I take Pictures all over NY and never have a problem. PS> don't take pix of children without premission you can get arrested.

JoeM Loc: Sacramento, California

I've been to the 911 Memorial this past October and I haven't seen any signs that indicate that. If they have posted anything after October 2011 then I don't know about that. In fact I've taken these pictures and have posted one earlier when I joined this site. Here are a couple more.

911 Memorial

JoeM Loc: Sacramento, California

I've been to the 911 Memorial this past October and I haven't seen any signs that indicate that. If they have posted anything after October 2011 then I don't know about that. In fact I've taken these pictures and have posted one earlier when I joined this site. Here are a couple more.

JoeM Loc: Sacramento, California

I've been to the 911 Memorial this past October and I haven't seen any signs that indicate that. If they have posted anything after October 2011 then I don't know about that. In fact I've taken these pictures and have posted one earlier when I joined this site. Here are a couple more.

911 Memorial October 7th 2011

911 Memorial Building Under Construction

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

k9moe wrote:

Here are some I took when assigned there as a cop.

I was there on the 13th with a friend that worked for a generator company.

Gruesome, horribly gruesome, if you pulled out a camera you'd lose it and get yourself arrested.

I saw a seat, from one of the planes, carried down from a roof top 1 block away from the North Tower debris, containing something almost un recognizable. Was one of the passengers attached to the chair, burnt to a crisp.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

ddrum wrote:

I hate when they say that. Any camera with a detac... (show quote)

DDrum: I am with you. Last week I attended a Houston Rockets basketball game. They have standing rules against "professional cameras." People with SLRs who do not have a production camera are out of luck. However, a fixed lens super zoom camera will be able to take good shots from the nose bleed seats, whereas an SLR would have to have an 800mm lens on it to produce comparable results. Thus, my SLR with a 300mm lens is banned, but my wife's Canon SX40 HS with its 849mm capability is allowed.

I particularly resent that the team would have to right to interfere in whatever a fan wants to do with the pictures he takes. So what if he sells them? That does not limit or interfere in any way with income the team can make. Even if in some strange way it could, it would only be small compensation for the billionaire owners and the millionaire players having used their political influence to shift the cost of building their arena or stadium onto the shoulders of the local people.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

ring wrote:

Gruesome, horribly gruesome, if you pulled out a camera you'd lose it and get yourself arrested.

I haven't been to the site since before 9/11, and I have no intention of going. I don't even like to look at the photos - old or new.

I can see your point about not taking pictures of gruesome destruction. I know I couldn't. But suppose no one ever took photos of tragedies by "intruding" into someone else's suffering. There are thousands of painful war photos and images of the aftermath of natural disasters.

We need images like that so we can see what actually happened. Real war is not a John Wayne movie. Disasters hit people on a personal level, and images help us to experience what others have gone through.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

ddrum wrote:

DDrum: I am with you. Last week I attended a Houst... (show quote)

I bet you had to pay quite a bit to get in and watch those millionaires, right? It's all about money.

A few years ago, we had a so-so baseball player come to town. For $25, you could go in and meet him. For another $25, you would get an autographed photo.

If only I could hit a ball with a stick!

patrick28 Loc: Port Jeervis, NY

mdorn wrote:

Regardless what kind of feedback you get here, they still reserve the right to restrict any type of camera (cellphone, P&S, etc.), so be prepared.

What right was that again?

Public place, publicly viewable.
Unenforceably defined. "What is a professional camera?"

Is it a law? A practice? A policy? A "security precaution"?
Where is it posted?

What is the threat to public order and security?
A terrorist opportunity to collect intelligence?
What intelligence will a "professional" camera reveal that a P&S or bridge camera cannot? (My bridge camera has an 18-600mm Leica lens. My nephew's Nikon P500 goes from 28mm? to 800mm.)

I don't care what the practice has been and how an unlawful law has been enforced. Any so-called enforcement is unlawful.

Every place that I know of where the local police have been challenged on this they have been overruled. Yet we tolerate it at a public monument to our freedom.

Why do we put up with this?!!

[Having said all that, bear in mind that Rome wasn't burned in a day. Carry a backup P&S with you. ]

:thumbup: :thumbup:

pigpen

paulbrimmeier wrote:

Here are the rules:

http://www.911memorial.org/photography

wow! 8 x 17 x 19 is pretty large. I would consider that pro equipment. It mentions nothing of tripod/monopod in the measurements, without those, that's a serious camera/lens set up.