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Mar 11, 2014 11:11:54   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
larrypayne wrote:
You're trying to get another strawman argument going. There is no way for me to know exactly how they did it. The videos prove the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. That's all the proof I need.

Anyone who denies this is either a troll or a moron. Which are you?


Hummm....I'm going with you are a Troll AND a Moron............I saw those buildings fall in real time and on video.....sure did not see what you claim to have seen. But then you've let your brain form a thought process that verifies your beliefs in this and totally ignored common sense and facts. Your touting this as a fact is in direct lack of respect to those who died and to their survivors...despicable behavior for which you should be ashamed....but I doubt you are capable of shame.

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Mar 11, 2014 11:26:08   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
larrypayne wrote:
Sen Bob Kerrey, who served on the 9/11 Commission, said it was a 30-year operation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDfm3NroVG8

That would place the beginning at about the same time Cheney and Rumsfeld began working on the "continuity of government" project. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0318-14.htm


I was being sarcastic you MAROON!!!!!!
Wake up.
Maybe stop taking your meds and see how you don't feel.

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Mar 11, 2014 11:27:11   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
larrypayne wrote:
You're trying to get another strawman argument going. There is no way for me to know exactly how they did it. The videos prove the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. That's all the proof I need.

Anyone who denies this is either a troll or a moron. Which are you?


Please explain how the videos prove it was a controlled demolition and not pancaking as determined by the American society of civil engineers.

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Mar 11, 2014 11:30:51   #
Billbobboy42 Loc: Center of Delmarva
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Hummm....I'm going with you are a Troll AND a Moron............I saw those buildings fall in real time and on video.....sure did not see what you claim to have seen. But then you've let your brain form a thought process that verifies your beliefs in this and totally ignored common sense and facts. Your touting this as a fact is in direct lack of respect to those who died and to their survivors...despicable behavior for which you should be ashamed....but I doubt you are capable of shame.


Also, the local Washington news media interviewed several eye witnesses who claimed to have watched the plane hit the Pentagon. Of course the "non-believers" will say the witnesses were planted. I won't go into details here, but I lost two close co-workers that day.

:roll:

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Mar 11, 2014 11:36:21   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Hummm....I'm going with you are a Troll AND a Moron............I saw those buildings fall in real time and on video.....sure did not see what you claim to have seen. But then you've let your brain form a thought process that verifies your beliefs in this and totally ignored common sense and facts. Your touting this as a fact is in direct lack of respect to those who died and to their survivors...despicable behavior for which you should be ashamed....but I doubt you are capable of shame.



OK, Capt America from Geezerville, show me the flames of the fires that caused the undamaged floors in both towers to collapse and fall at near free fall speed into its own footprint. If you can do that I'll start to believe you.

This website lists over 300 of the victim's relatives and survivors who are asking that the truth be told: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Scroll to Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski who survived the Pentagon attack. She said this:
"It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...

I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ..."

She was there, Capt. You weren't.

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Mar 11, 2014 11:36:53   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Hummm....I'm going with you are a Troll AND a Moron............I saw those buildings fall in real time and on video.....sure did not see what you claim to have seen. But then you've let your brain form a thought process that verifies your beliefs in this and totally ignored common sense and facts. Your touting this as a fact is in direct lack of respect to those who died and to their survivors...despicable behavior for which you should be ashamed....but I doubt you are capable of shame.


You guys are buying right into what this guy is selling. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the WTC attack his goal is to simply sew some seeds of doubt and cast a shadow over Israel. His attempts to do his little bit to undermine our relationship with Israel is obvious. Just go to his profile and read the bullshit this guy posts and then see how much of your time you want to waist on this guy.

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Mar 11, 2014 11:58:50   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Pepper wrote:
You guys are buying right into what this guy is selling. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the WTC attack his goal is to simply sew some seeds of doubt and cast a shadow over Israel. His attempts to do his little bit to undermine our relationship with Israel is obvious. Just go to his profile and read the bullshit this guy posts and then see how much of your time you want to waist on this guy.




Since it's impossible to defend lies successfully, it would be a good idea for all of you to tuck tail and run. It's called damage control.

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Mar 11, 2014 12:01:53   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
TimS wrote:
Please explain how the videos prove it was a controlled demolition and not pancaking as determined by the American society of civil engineers.




This is proof the buildings did not fall from fire.
If you are a real engineer, you should be able to understand what this physics teacher is explaining. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpirc

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Mar 11, 2014 12:02:25   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
The twin towers failed because of pancaking. The upper floors were severely weakens by the impact and subsequent fire. The columns eventually gave out because the steel was not fireproofed as required by building codes at the time. The floor have out and the entire weight of it and the floors above it crashed down on the floor below which was already weakened. That floor have out because it was not strong enough to hold all of that weight crashing down on it. It failed and fell to the next floor that one failed and down to the next - increasing the impact as time went on.

That is how both buildings failed. WTC7 failed in much the same way. It was initially damaged by the 110 story building crashing into it along with the raging fire and, also, unprotected steel.

A controlled demolition would've taken a dozen people over a month to rig each building - unchallenged. A controlled demolition would've fell the building in 9-10 seconds. It took 16 or so seconds from start of collapse to the end (look it up).1

The notion that the buildings fell due to explosive charges is absurd especially when you consider that the failure had been studied by numerous structural engineers as well as a couple engineering codes and standards organizations in peer reviewed literature - all coming to a similar conclusion that the mechanism of failure was pancaking as a result if weakened steel because it was not fireproofed as required by the uniform building code.

Period. End of story. I'm out.

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Mar 11, 2014 12:04:01   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
yhtomit wrote:
I was being sarcastic you MAROON!!!!!!
Wake up.
Maybe stop taking your meds and see how you don't feel.




I thought you were Silver using an alias. He used the same word from a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

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Mar 11, 2014 12:05:16   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
TimS wrote:
The twin towers failed because of pancaking. The upper floors were severely weakens by the impact and subsequent fire. The columns eventually gave out because the steel was not fireproofed as required by building codes at the time. The floor have out and the entire weight of it and the floors above it crashed down on the floor below which was already weakened. That floor have out because it was not strong enough to hold all of that weight crashing down on it. It failed and fell to the next floor that one failed and down to the next - increasing the impact as time went on.

That is how both buildings failed. WTC7 failed in much the same way. It was initially damaged by the 110 story building crashing into it along with the raging fire and, also, unprotected steel.

A controlled demolition would've taken a dozen people over a month to rig each building - unchallenged. A controlled demolition would've fell the building in 9-10 seconds. It took 16 or so seconds from start of collapse to the end (look it up).1

The notion that the buildings fell due to explosive charges is absurd especially when you consider that the failure had been studied by numerous structural engineers as well as a couple engineering codes and standards organizations in peer reviewed literature - all coming to a similar conclusion that the mechanism of failure was pancaking as a result if weakened steel because it was not fireproofed as required by the uniform building code.

Period. End of story. I'm out.
The twin towers failed because of pancaking. The u... (show quote)



Troll or moron? Which are you?

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Mar 11, 2014 12:17:20   #
One Camera One Lens Loc: Traveling
 
I am just asking, other than the big crater in the ground did we see any engine parts or tail section or any other part of the plane in Penn? I may have missed it but I don't THINK I say anything, could be wrong, like I said just asking...

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Mar 11, 2014 12:25:36   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
One Camera One Lens wrote:
I am just asking, other than the big crater in the ground did we see any engine parts or tail section or any other part of the plane in Penn? I may have missed it but I don't THINK I say anything, could be wrong, like I said just asking...




Watch out. 1camera1lens,

If you indicate you are able to use your eyes to see and analyze,
The trolls and morons will question your right to exist.

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Mar 11, 2014 12:43:35   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
larrypayne wrote:
I thought you were Silver using an alias. He used the same word from a Bugs Bunny cartoon.


How dare you question and attack the integrity of this site.The administrators are top notch and don't deserve the crap you spew.
It was you I saw in that very cartoon that Silver spoke of.
I stand with Silver,your a complete dolt,idiot,buffoon,delusional
antagonist.
Here's some toilet paper for that mouth and brain of yours.
No don't eat it!It's toilet paper damn it!

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Mar 11, 2014 12:48:54   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
larrypayne wrote:
Troll or moron? Which are you?


Seeing as my depiction is consistent with the results of independant structural engineers that have studied the failures extensively, you are on pretty shaky ground. You have yet to produce a single technical paper (peer reviewed or otherwise) that discredits the opinion of the structural engineers and the American society of civil engineers that studied the failures). You haven't because there are no credible ones. The only thing you have been able to provide is commentary on a video where it is obvious to you that the buildings failed due to demolitions. However, as you are NOT an expert and likely have absolutely NO relevant background, education, or experience, your opinion is worthless.

I'd say that you are not only both a troll AND a moron but a sincere a$$hole of the highest degree.

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