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Mar 2, 2014 17:30:54   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
gatega1958 wrote:
Just for fun, and to "blur" the contest topic further, does anyone feel there is an advantage to submitting horizontal shots over vertical? The vertical submissions are delightful little wedges that require opening to fully view and appreciate all the bokah, :), but the horizontal pictures demand their space and viewing. I say this as one who is naturally prone to shooting vertical compositions for some reason.


Just remember that horizontal shots land in the inside editorial pages of magazines, but vertical shots get the cover!

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Mar 2, 2014 17:46:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
Bokeh is overrated. Centering a photograph around a specific technique or technical aspect is foolish. Composition, context and content are far more important.
The technical aspects are just a way to get the best rendering of artistic intent. Getting caught up in the technical bogs a person down and blocks them from moving forward with their work.


Dark, it surprises me, but maybe it shouldn't, that some of those that are in a position to be the most knowledgable about, "bokeh", are the most resistant, and first to dismiss it.
Composition is always going to be king, but how we compose, and what we include, especially purposeful, is what composition is all about. I take shots with the specific intent to have OOF areas, sometimes both in front of, and behind a subject. And my intent is usually to present what I would consider, high quality OOF, or bokeh at its best, meaning a very smooth mix of OOF, be it spectral or not.
I also realize that this is a function of the lens, which is why so many wedding Photogs use the 85 1.2 lens.
Good bokeh comes at a high $$ cost, but so does a lot in photography.
Maybe some old dogs just have trouble applying new terms, but many are eager to learn, and they should be taught. Some concepts are not easy to grasp, which is why in school, specific assignments are given just for that purpose.
While some resist educating, Those that are willing, shouldl continue to do so when They can. It's not so hard to make a difference. ;-)
SS

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Mar 2, 2014 17:48:19   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
RichardQ wrote:
Thank you for the link. It was very informative to an old hand who always avoided blurry backgrounds whenever possible.

Yes, come visit the land of the f/1.4s. :-D

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Mar 2, 2014 17:50:53   #
gatega1958
 
You, sir, are my hero of the day!
RichardQ wrote:
Just remember that horizontal shots land in the inside editorial pages of magazines, but vertical shots get the cover!

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Mar 2, 2014 17:51:47   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
RichardQ wrote:
Just remember that horizontal shots land in the inside editorial pages of magazines, but vertical shots get the cover!


Richard, you are absolutely right, and that's why in school you are taught, if shooting for editorial, always compose as many shots as you can, both ways when possible! ;-)
SS

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Mar 2, 2014 17:53:18   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Dark, it surprises me, but maybe it shouldn't, that some of those that are in a position to be the most knowledgable about, "bokeh", are the most resistant, and first to dismiss it.
Composition is always going to be king, but how we compose, and what we include, especially purposeful, is what composition is all about. I take shots with the specific intent to have OOF areas, sometimes both in front of, and behind a subject. And my intent is usually to present what I would consider, high quality OOF, or bokeh at its best, meaning a very smooth mix of OOF, be it spectral or not.
I also realize that this is a function of the lens, which is why so many wedding Photogs use the 85 1.2 lens.
Good bokeh comes at a high $$ cost, but so does a lot in photography.
Maybe some old dogs just have trouble applying new terms, but many are eager to learn, and they should be taught. Some concepts are not easy to grasp, which is why in school, specific assignments are given just for that purpose.
While some resist educating, Those that are willing, shouldl continue to do so when They can. It's not so hard to make a difference. ;-)
SS
Dark, it surprises me, but maybe it shouldn't, tha... (show quote)


The better question is, do you like bokeh just because of what it is and because everyone is doing it or do you feel that it adds to the message of your image?

Also, I am curious, what makes you think that I am in a position to be very knowledgeable about bokeh?

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Mar 2, 2014 18:23:35   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
The better question is, do you like bokeh just because of what it is and because everyone is doing it or do you feel that it adds to the message of your image?

I'm an "isolationist" with my photographs, so bokeh is a useful tool for that.

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Mar 2, 2014 18:29:26   #
Terrym9 Loc: Hillsboro, Oregon
 
This is an interesting topic. I also notice a lot of entries don't conform, but it really doesn't matter. I am not an experienced photographer, but each and every contest makes me think about how to take a picture. Because of this I think they help me considerably. I thoroughly enjoy the topics and the discussions. Since the last discussion I read I now make it a point to only enter when I can shoot a new picture for the contest.

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Mar 2, 2014 18:44:03   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
The better question is, do you like bokeh just because of what it is and because everyone is doing it or do you feel that it adds to the message of your image?

Also, I am curious, what makes you think that I am in a position to be very knowledgeable about bokeh?


Darkroom, I feel I'm an artist with my camera, be it journalism or landscape. I personally take shots specifically to include OOF. Without the bokeh/OOF, I would just have another snapshot. I have also aquired lenses JUST because they will help in that artistic pursuit.
Is it what everybody else is doing? I have no idea. I chose my f-stops as I envision my compositions.
I've been influenced by many, but I'm doing my thing, not theirs!

Dark, I just made the assumption that since you are currently pursuing a BFA, with emphases on photography, that your methods and teaching are both current, if not cutting edge, from professionals that are pushing the envelope in their respective subject matters. For me, it's had a huge influence. ;-)
SS

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Mar 2, 2014 18:56:33   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Terrym9 wrote:
This is an interesting topic. I also notice a lot of entries don't conform, but it really doesn't matter. I am not an experienced photographer, but each and every contest makes me think about how to take a picture. Because of this I think they help me considerably. I thoroughly enjoy the topics and the discussions. Since the last discussion I read I now make it a point to only enter when I can shoot a new picture for the contest.

It sounds like you're using the contests as "weekly photo assignments" in a photography course. That's a cool approach!

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Mar 2, 2014 19:22:14   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
My first day of photography class I learned bokeh when we covered depth of field. ( 4 weeks ago) I didnt think Id ever hear or see that word again. So my entered photo was in compliance. ( I forgot to give it a name or description though)

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Mar 2, 2014 19:23:22   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
so I just wasn't as perfect as I thought .

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Mar 2, 2014 19:26:51   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
LiamRowan wrote:
I suspect that most people - starting with myself - think "bokeh" refers to aesthetic quality of the blurred components of an image. Given the contest entries - again, mine included! - there is not a general awareness that the blur pertains to points of light/spectral highlights. I even had to google "spectral highlights."

Seems like this week's contest has provided a great learning opportunity for forum members. Thanks for the illuminating discussion.


If you look through the examples in the article St3v3 posted for the contest only the mushroom picture has spectral highlights in the background. Most examples contain a sharp central area or subject with out of focus background, or background and foreground. Most feature both foreground and background out of focus. Maybe there isn't one set agreed upon definition.

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Mar 2, 2014 19:36:22   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
bdk wrote:
My first day of photography class I learned bokeh when we covered depth of field. ( 4 weeks ago) I didnt think Id ever hear or see that word again. So my entered photo was in compliance. ( I forgot to give it a name or description though)

You're guaranteed to hear the word again here! :-)

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Mar 2, 2014 19:39:51   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
10MPlayer wrote:
... Maybe there isn't one set agreed upon definition.

Welcome to art.

Bokeh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh (edited)
In photography, bokeh is the blur, or the aesthetic quality of the blur, in out-of-focus areas of an image. Bokeh has been defined as "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light". Bokeh occurs for parts of the scene that lie outside the depth of field.
Bokeh is often most visible around small background highlights, such as specular reflections and light sources, which is why it is often associated with such areas. However, bokeh is not limited to highlights; blur occurs in all out-of-focus regions of the image.

Bokeh for Beginners http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/h0ndz86v/bokeh-for-beginners.html (edited)
Bokeh comes from the Japanese word boke, which means "blur" or "haze", or boke-aji, the "blur quality." Bokeh is pronounced BOH-K&#601; or BOH-kay.
Bokeh is defined as “the effect of a soft out-of-focus background that you get when shooting a subject, using a fast lens, at the widest aperture, such as f/2.8 or wider.” Simply put, bokeh is the pleasing or aesthetic quality of out-of-focus blur in a photograph.
Although bokeh is actually a characteristic of a photograph, the lens used determines the shape and size of the visible bokeh. Usually seen more in highlights, bokeh is affected by the shape of the diaphragm blades (the aperture) of the lens. A lens with more circular shaped blades will have rounder, softer orbs of out-of-focus highlights, whereas a lens with an aperture that is more hexagonal in shape will reflect that shape in the highlights.

bokeh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bokeh
A trick in photography where one part of the photo is in focus and the rest isn't, so attention is drawn to the subject. That out-of-focus area is called bokeh.

bokeh http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/bokeh
The visual quality of the out-of-focus areas of a photographic image, especially as rendered by a particular lens:

bokeh http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bokeh
a Japanese term for the subjective aesthetic quality of out-of-focus areas of a photographic image

Bokeh http://photography.about.com/od/gloss3/g/bokehglossary.htm
Bokeh simply means fuzzy or out of focus. It is used to refer to the effect of shallow depth of field that creates a pleasing blur of color behind the subject. The type of lens and the depth of field play a large part in determining how out of focus the area is and whether or not it creates a pleasing effect in the image.

What is Bokeh? http://photographylife.com/what-is-bokeh
The word comes from Japanese language, which literally translates as “blur”.

What is Bokeh? http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2010/02/11/what-is-bokeh

What is the Bokeh Effect in Photography? http://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/what-is-the-bokeh-effect-in-photography
...“bokeh”. It is Japanese in origin and refers to blur or a blurry quality, and in photography it is a very recognizable technique.

How to Achieve Better Bokeh http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-achieve-better-bokeh-4-simple-tips

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