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Feb 26, 2014 10:07:52   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Full Frame because of DOF. DX camera have a larger DOF to their detriment. Instead of having a soft blur which many referred to as the desired bokeh, the DX camera still has other objects outside of the subject matter in focus. The difference is significant though rarely discussed. The superior bokeh will make an ordinary image extraordinary. There are wonderful examples on the net.

To me I always shoot as wide open as possible whether it is my mom, children, flowers, and just about any object. The only time I would want anything else would be if I was doing great landscape. And with a FX I have that choice and with a DX, I don't. I think your pictures would look entirely different with an FX.

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Feb 26, 2014 10:13:48   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Neither...
for what you describe (a camera that you want to carry around with you at all times), you should look into one of the new high end mirrorless cameras. I'm a fan of the Olympus EM1, others will say Sony nex7 (or its replacement a6000) or Fuji XT1.

Small, lightweight, and all take awesome images.


I just bought the Sony NEX-7 with the 18-55mm, and other stuff, from B&H. It is a great camera at a great price right now and fits your needs perfectly.

An awesome feature of the NEX-7 that most of the other recommendations lack is its ability to take panoramic photos. It snaps like crazy as you pan and creates the pano in seconds. When you review it you can blow it up and it scans across the screen. Awesome! It fits some of your picture categories quite well.

My "other camera" is a Nikon D800. While it can take better detailed pictures the difference isn't nearly as great as the size and weight penalty. Although the D800 has many other benefits, including a much larger variety of great lenses, the NEX-7 seems to fit your need much better.

If you go the DSLR route I'd recommend the Nikon D5200 or 5300 over the 3200. About the same weight and significantly better sensor and features.

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Feb 26, 2014 10:21:46   #
ollie Loc: Ogdensburg, NY
 
I carry Nikons D7001 and D800. Without hesitation I would tell you the D7001 will give you great shots at a fraction of the cost and more importantly weight and size. When carrying the equipment on trips the bulk and weight factor is very important and the difference in image quality, for your purposes, will not be noticeable. I always carry two bodies with different lens ranges to avoid changing lenses in the field

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Feb 26, 2014 10:44:11   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
ollie wrote:
I carry Nikons D7001 and D800. Without hesitation I would tell you the D7001 will give you great shots at a fraction of the cost and more importantly weight and size. When carrying the equipment on trips the bulk and weight factor is very important and the difference in image quality, for your purposes, will not be noticeable. I always carry two bodies with different lens ranges to avoid changing lenses in the field


Note though that even though the D7100 is half the weight of a D800 it is twice the weight of the D3xxx and D5xxx.

With any of these APS-C cameras you can use the fabulous 18-300mm lens and avoid the need to change lenses. For an FX the 28-300 is almost identical in size and weight and does the same job.

Some will tell you the image quality of wide range zooms isn't what you can get with other lenses but my wife and I find them more than satisfactory. Given your interests I suspect you might also.

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Feb 26, 2014 10:49:26   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
Paul, several posters have given good feedback, but some may have missed points that may be important to you.

You mention not being pleased with the performance of your "does it all" lens. Well, if you are committed to using only one lens, even the best of these will negate most of the benefits of going FF vs. APS-C unless you don't mind bulk and especially weight.

You could probably improve image quality by sticking to a zoom with more limited range. It used to be a rule of thumb that going past 3:1 in focal length range was a sure way to degrade optical performance. Things have improved since those days, but there comes a point where pushing the range makes the optical design more difficult and costly.

If I were you, I would look at some of the offerings in smaller crop frame DSLRs, micro 4/3 and other mirrorless cameras. You might even see if you can rent from one of the on line rental sites or borrow from an acquaintance.

In my own situation, I am taking a trip to Alaska and plan to take a 12-24, 18-55, and 50-300 all in a small backpack. I realize this is a lot and would not be the best is a city environment, but I don't want to miss the opportunities for both scenics and wildlife.

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Feb 26, 2014 10:59:31   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
lsimpkins wrote:
Paul, several posters have given good feedback, but some may have missed points that may be important to you.

You mention not being pleased with the performance of your "does it all" lens. Well, if you are committed to using only one lens, even the best of these will negate most of the benefits of going FF vs. APS-C unless you don't mind bulk and especially weight.

You could probably improve image quality by sticking to a zoom with more limited range. It used to be a rule of thumb that going past 3:1 in focal length range was a sure way to degrade optical performance. Things have improved since those days, but there comes a point where pushing the range makes the optical design more difficult and costly.

If I were you, I would look at some of the offerings in smaller crop frame DSLRs, micro 4/3 and other mirrorless cameras. You might even see if you can rent from one of the on line rental sites or borrow from an acquaintance.

In my own situation, I am taking a trip to Alaska and plan to take a 12-24, 18-55, and 50-300 all in a small backpack. I realize this is a lot and would not be the best is a city environment, but I don't want to miss the opportunities for both scenics and wildlife.
Paul, several posters have given good feedback, bu... (show quote)


On my trip to Alaska last June/July the Sigma 150-500 was the deal. Not what you'd call light by a long stretch but worth it on a trip like that.


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Also 28-300 for Landscape
Also 28-300 for Landscape...
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Feb 26, 2014 10:59:45   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
If you want light weight, excellent optics, and something almost like a Leica for indiscreet photography for a good price, look at a Fuji X-E1. It also has several nice lenses available.

Fuji's have always been low key and under rated. The fact that they built bodies for Hasselblad is a plus for their quality.

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Feb 26, 2014 11:15:35   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Suppose I should give an example pano from the Sony NEX-7.

BTW it is a 24MP APS-C sensor in an incredibly lightweight mirrorless body. I love the electronic viewfinder on it because it dynamically adjusts what you see as you change exposure and allows an actual rule of thirds grid (for some reason I don't get Nikon girds tend towards fourths). I'm still learning to translate from Sonyspeak to Nikonspeak but the menus are quite easy to learn.

oops...not pano
oops...not pano...
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Pano for comparison
Pano for comparison...
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Feb 26, 2014 11:23:35   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Pauld wrote:
I apologize in advance for the lengthy introduction. This is my first post here, but I have looked at posts and other places on the net for my questions.
I am looking for one camera for traveling, with one lens. Hand held, no tripod. Walk around camera, which generally I will have with me at all times.

1. I do not take portraits, nor do I go birding.
2. I travel for, and take photos of:
a. Landscapes, scenery.
b. Cityscapes.
c. Street scenes.
d. People going about their daily lives (not portraits).
e. Local street markets.
f. Gardens and flowers (My wife generally takes the macro close-ups with her camera).
g. Interesting buildings, architecture, and historical sites.
h. Inside of buildings, museum artifacts, and historical sites, when of interest.
i. Festivals, folk shows, performances, and parades.
3. I would not base my choice of camera body or lens on these:
a. Some video (e.g. of performances or folk parades).
b. A few wildlife photos or videos.
c. Very few sports/action photos.
4. See http://vacations-pm.blogspot.com for examples. I would look at the China 2009 photos and then perhaps the Europe 2012 photos.

I had a Canon XTI (original version), with one wide angle zoom and one telephoto zoom, but then went with the Tamron 18-270 so I only had one lens. Those photos seemed not as sharp as I would like. I want to upgrade the body in any case, and I dropped the camera and lens, and they would need repair. So it is a perfect time to look for new body and new lens. I am not limited to one manufacturer.

I would like as good as image quality as I can get, given the limitations of using a large range zoom. I was thinking of cropped 18 – 200 or full frame 28 to 300.

In reading about full frame and its better image quality, articles say full frame is good for landscape. But from the above list, we take pictures of a lot more than landscape. And other articles I read indicated cropped was better for landscape because of the depth of field.

I will probably have more questions, but for now my question is:

1. Do you think cropped or full frame would be better for me?
I apologize in advance for the lengthy introductio... (show quote)


Get an iPhone.

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Feb 26, 2014 12:22:23   #
lukan Loc: Chicago, IL
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Get an iPhone.


:lol: :thumbup:

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Feb 26, 2014 12:55:55   #
Pauld
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
You're number 2d and e. Street shooting...full frame need not apply people will see that giant body and lenses from a mile away and avoid you. Human nature. Em5 or em1 with a 12, 17, 20, 25, 45, or 75 prime would be perfect.


I hadn't thought about the effect of a large camera and lens on people you want to take candid photos of.

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Feb 26, 2014 12:58:12   #
Pauld
 
lukan wrote:
I'd recommend the 12-40 f2.8 pro on an EM-1 body, and put that resultant IQ up against just about anything.
Paul, look up on line a review by Ming Thein, an accomplished photographer: mingthein.com, or google EM-1 reviews, Ming Thein. Quite eye-opening, very well-written, and photo-specific and concise. I own both, a full-frame and a micro four-thirds, and the pictures I take with the EM-1 are every bit as professional as with my full frame. It is worth every penny of its $1300 price tag, and is gorgeously made. For your needs/uses, you'll be the envy of your friends and your wife will surely snag it from you every chance she gets. It'll change your life, and it is neither Dx nor Fx.
I'd recommend the 12-40 f2.8 pro on an EM-1 body, ... (show quote)


Thanks. I'll be looking at the EM-1 along with other cameras as noted in other posts.

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Feb 26, 2014 12:59:26   #
Pauld
 
craggycrossers wrote:
Hi Paul - travel, one lens, hand-held - look at the Fuji X-Series + 18-55mm f2.8-4.

Smaller than a DSLR, lighter in weight, less obtrusive in the street, APS-C Sensor, superb build quality, easy to use menu system, image quality as good as anything you can expect from a Canon/Nikon APS-C sensor camera, and ...... incredible low light performance.

X-E1 has great deals at present because it has been replaced (only just) by the X-E2, which has some improvements, but is more expensive. There are some excellent deals (until March 31st) on Fuji XF lenses and you might like to consider the 35mm f1.4 lens (great "street" lens) to add to the low light performance of the camera.

If you want to invest a little more look closely also at the newly announced XT1 which competes with the Olympus EM-1 mentioned above.

It's always good to explore your options BEFORE making your choice. Our role can only be to offer you options. Your job to do the follow-up research and decide !
Hi Paul - travel, one lens, hand-held - look at th... (show quote)


Thanks. Getting several replies about Sony, Fuji, etc. so will be looking at them before i make a decision.

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Feb 26, 2014 13:01:32   #
Pauld
 
hb3 wrote:
It is an amazing camera and and lens system....could not be more pleased!


I appreciate the reply. And will be looking at these cameras.

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Feb 26, 2014 13:02:25   #
Pauld
 


Yes, I was thinking of the D610 as one of the FF I would consider.

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