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Feb 25, 2014 12:04:31   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I am sure you have much more experience both combat and managerial than Colin Powell.

You are a farce!



Fred in Boise wrote:
If you look at Obama's words throughout his political career, this is nothing new. He would do this regardless of the economic situation. He just dislikes America and idiot Hagel is his shill.

NOW, I do believe that we can cut back a great deal on the pentagon budget. It's not the size of the force that deters, it's the EFFECTIVENESS of the force that puts fear into enemies. Lately, we've been good at starting wars and crushing the enemy, but suck at winning the wars and destroying our enemies. Both Bushes and Obama have squandered men, materiel, money, and opportunity.

Stupidity knows no political boundaries. Colin Powell's mantra "if you break it you own it" is insane. Part of warfare is the enemy having to pick-up the pieces. Makes for a very good object lesson. Also, neatly sets both a strategy for winning and for getting out.

Yeah, the cuts could/should be made, but these
are too big and applied in a senseless manner purposely.
Get rid of Obama, his political flunkies and his political generals.
If you look at Obama's words throughout his politi... (show quote)

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Feb 25, 2014 12:20:09   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
pounder35 wrote:
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we will be set-up for a major overthrow. God Bless the United States of America and damn the Obama administration. I guess the millions of dollars saved in reducing our military, will go to fund more negative action/benefit programs?

Obama admin plans to shrink Army to pre-World War II low
By United Press International February 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest force since before World War II, Pentagon officials told the New York Times.

The plans, to be laid out in Hagel's first defense budget Monday, call for the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft to be eliminated, the newspaper said, citing Pentagon officials ahead of Hagel's release of the spending plan.

The twin-engine jet is the only Air Force aircraft designed solely for close air support of ground forces. It was developed in the 1970s to attack Soviet tanks in case of a European invasion -- capabilities the Pentagon deems less relevant today, the Times said.

The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances, the Wall Street Journal said.

Pentagon officials describe the cuts as a modest and realistic plan to save billions of dollars needed to protect other critical portions of U.S. defense spending, the Journal said.

The proposed changes, which will be subject to congressional approval, are intended to comply with the Bipartisan Budget Act reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, the Times said. That deal, which passed the House Dec. 12 and the Senate Dec. 18, imposes a military spending cap of about $496 billion for the 2015 fiscal year.

The changes, endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are also intended to conform to Obama's pledge to end two costly and exhausting land wars.

A result will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for prolonged foreign occupations, Pentagon officials told the Times.

"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

The Army, which did the most U.S. fighting and had the most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, is proposed in Hagel's budget to drop to 440,000 to 450,000 troops, the smallest force since 1940, the Times said.

It was already scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-Sept. 11, 2001, peak of 570,000.

Money saved by cutting the number of personnel would assure U.S. fighting soldiers would be well trained and supplied with the best weaponry, the officials told the newspaper.

The cuts in housing allowances and other benefits, such as less support for grocery stores that offer discounts to military families, reflect economic realities, the Defense Department said.

"Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told the Journal.

"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

Hagel's plan calls for a one-year pay freeze for the Defense Department's top military leaders -- a gesture the Journal said was meant to show that even the best-compensated leaders would make sacrifices.
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we ... (show quote)


Okay Pounder, obviously you woke up watching FOX this morning and as a typical Fox fan you swallowed it hook- line and sinker. Your overlooking one major fact in this.

This cut back was part of the required sequester several months back.

With the advances in technology today it is possible to maintain our status quo with less men put in dangers way. Advances in airborne radar can see planes over 400 miles away, a long time before they get close enough to cause any harm. With updated electronic monitoring we know what is planned before the enemy troops do. The new laser weapons put any conventional weapons to shame.

Remember, this is The United States, In his speech Secretary Hagel's remarks reference freezing pay turns into only a 1% increase vs the planned 5%. Considering all things the 1% as small as it sounds still is a workable increase.

Pounder, you need to try more than one source for your information and do a little research before getting fired up. At least it is good to see that your trying to stay current with what is happening around you, great cut and paste job as well.

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Feb 25, 2014 12:28:48   #
medavis43 Loc: Folkston, GA
 
Like there is no other place to cut expenses. This is a game. They threaten with military, social security and education and everyone says "no, we can't do that" and it's back to business as usual. I'd like to have a red pencil and a copy of the budget.

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Feb 25, 2014 12:46:55   #
FrumCA
 
Predictable left wing responses. Please. Reduced military spending will be used to expand social welfare programs (more dependency). When it's time to ramp up the military again (it will inevitably happen) there will be more debt and more taxes.

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Feb 25, 2014 13:04:27   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
Okay Pounder, obviously you woke up watching FOX this morning and as a typical Fox fan you swallowed it hook- line and sinker. Your overlooking one major fact in this.

This cut back was part of the required sequester several months back.

With the advances in technology today it is possible to maintain our status quo with less men put in dangers way. Advances in airborne radar can see planes over 400 miles away, a long time before they get close enough to cause any harm. With updated electronic monitoring we know what is planned before the enemy troops do. The new laser weapons put any conventional weapons to shame.

Remember, this is The United States, In his speech Secretary Hagel's remarks reference freezing pay turns into only a 1% increase vs the planned 5%. Considering all things the 1% as small as it sounds still is a workable increase.

Pounder, you need to try more than one source for your information and do a little research before getting fired up. At least it is good to see that your trying to stay current with what is happening around you, great cut and paste job as well.
Okay Pounder, obviously you woke up watching FOX t... (show quote)


I never claimed to have written it. And I don't watch FOX news or really any television for that matter except to glance at the weather forecast.

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Feb 25, 2014 13:10:09   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Patriot66 wrote:
Ever notice that no one ever brings up reducing welfare costs or congress salaries - gee I wonder why?


This is one of those comments that people make as if they were relevant to anything.

Do you really expect the military to continue to grow forever?

Or is this your verion of reducing unemployment by keeping people on the military payroll?

IF we're not at war, why would we need the larger military?

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Feb 25, 2014 13:17:10   #
RDH
 
willstaff wrote:
We could make the battleships and tanks and planes just as we did during WWII if we had the time but that is the problem now. During WWII we had two oceans protecting our country but that won't be the case in the technological world we live in now.

If we get into a BIG shooting war there will not be time to ramp up. Drawing down the military to pre WWII levels is a sign to those who don't like us that we are vulnerable.


And just who is going to attack us? Evan after this draw down we will still have the most powerful armed forces in the world by a wide margin. What we need to do is spend more on education, basic research, and infrastructure.

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Feb 25, 2014 13:26:08   #
FrumCA
 
Predictable left wing responses. Please. Reduced military spending will be used to expand social welfare programs (more dependency). When it's time to ramp up the military again (it will inevitably happen) there will be more debt and more taxes.

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Feb 25, 2014 13:45:19   #
sumo Loc: Houston suburb
 
Making cuts in the military is nothing new for democrats….they hate the military, always have and always will!
The military was devastated under Carter, rebuilt by Reagan, devastated by Clinton, rebuilt by W….now being devastated again by the current regime. They even announced yesteday that the USA can no longer dominate air, land and sea, therefore major cuts are coming now and in 2016. Even the liberals should be scared of this regime.

The dems will forfeit the defense of our country to buy votes from the welfare folks…which are getting more in numbers everyday.
Once we have to start speaking Chinese or Russian, food stamps wont do anyone very much good.
When that happens those damn democrats will be running to hide behind any military men that remain standing.

All democrats and many, many RINO's are simply the sheep of this nation
The military are the sheepdogs protecting everyone from the wolves (Chinese, Russia, Taliban etc)…..
The sheep don’t like the sheepdog because he looks like a wolf…..

Read further here..
http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.htmly

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Feb 25, 2014 14:36:05   #
Patriot66 Loc: Minnesota
 
ole sarg wrote:
What nonsense!

He saved heavy industry when he saved the auto industry!

Your ignorance is showing


Who is he? If you are referring to Obama, then there are two idiots in the room!

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Feb 25, 2014 15:24:14   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Roman saying:

"The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war."


I think quoting the sayings of the ancient Roman Empire in lieu of his most recent development as well as the entire performance of the current administration, is most appropriate and foresighted.

Which was their saying to portend their demise I wonder. "If you like your empire and place of leadership of the free world, you can keep it!" ?

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Feb 25, 2014 15:36:09   #
SBW
 
ole sarg wrote:
What nonsense!

He saved heavy industry when he saved the auto industry!

Your ignorance is showing


No, it seems YOUR ignorance is showing. First of all, automobile manufacturing is NOT considered or defined as "heavy industry". obama did not save anything, the American taxpayer bailed out General Motors and the unions and Chrysler was only propped up long enough for them to be acquired by a foreign company (Fiat). Ford Motor Company did not accept any money from obama's slush fund. They managed to recover on their own. So no, obama did not bail out anything. But maybe in your small, perverted world old jug ears using taxpayer money to prop up GM and the union is considered a bailout of "heavy industry". So, it is YOUR ignorance that is showing.

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Feb 25, 2014 15:43:17   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Patriot66 wrote:
Who is he? If you are referring to Obama, then there are two idiots in the room!


ole sarg proved long ago he's one of them. :roll: :thumbup:

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Feb 25, 2014 15:52:34   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
bersharbp wrote:
How true! Do we really believe that we can stay out of war? (Maybe I can find a bridge to sell?)

I also heard (on TV) that Haqel is talking of reducing VA benefits? Then our wounded vets can wait in the welfare lines?


'bama has steadily reduced VA benefits, even benefits for those with what are clearly combat-related disabilities. There is currently an ongoing scandal with how long it takes for released veterans to get processed for VA care. He has also preemptorily fired many high-ranking officers, evidently because of their loyalty to the country and the constitution rather than 'bama personally. All of this is part of a pattern to harm, weaken, diminish the military.

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Feb 25, 2014 16:16:25   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
pounder35 wrote:
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we will be set-up for a major overthrow. God Bless the United States of America and damn the Obama administration. I guess the millions of dollars saved in reducing our military, will go to fund more negative action/benefit programs?

Obama admin plans to shrink Army to pre-World War II low
By United Press International February 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest force since before World War II, Pentagon officials told the New York Times.

The plans, to be laid out in Hagel's first defense budget Monday, call for the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft to be eliminated, the newspaper said, citing Pentagon officials ahead of Hagel's release of the spending plan.

The twin-engine jet is the only Air Force aircraft designed solely for close air support of ground forces. It was developed in the 1970s to attack Soviet tanks in case of a European invasion -- capabilities the Pentagon deems less relevant today, the Times said.

The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances, the Wall Street Journal said.

Pentagon officials describe the cuts as a modest and realistic plan to save billions of dollars needed to protect other critical portions of U.S. defense spending, the Journal said.

The proposed changes, which will be subject to congressional approval, are intended to comply with the Bipartisan Budget Act reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, the Times said. That deal, which passed the House Dec. 12 and the Senate Dec. 18, imposes a military spending cap of about $496 billion for the 2015 fiscal year.

The changes, endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are also intended to conform to Obama's pledge to end two costly and exhausting land wars.

A result will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for prolonged foreign occupations, Pentagon officials told the Times.

"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

The Army, which did the most U.S. fighting and had the most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, is proposed in Hagel's budget to drop to 440,000 to 450,000 troops, the smallest force since 1940, the Times said.

It was already scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-Sept. 11, 2001, peak of 570,000.

Money saved by cutting the number of personnel would assure U.S. fighting soldiers would be well trained and supplied with the best weaponry, the officials told the newspaper.

The cuts in housing allowances and other benefits, such as less support for grocery stores that offer discounts to military families, reflect economic realities, the Defense Department said.

"Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told the Journal.

"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

Hagel's plan calls for a one-year pay freeze for the Defense Department's top military leaders -- a gesture the Journal said was meant to show that even the best-compensated leaders would make sacrifices.
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we ... (show quote)



The sheer size of the military has very little to do with the military's capabilities. That is why the comparison to the pre WW II military is so misleading. We do not need a military to defeat the fascists all over again and we do not need a military to confront the Warsaw Pact either.

We need a military configured to the threats that we actually face and one that has not corrupted itself with fraud waste and abuse. For example. The J35 could be a game changing weapons platform, buts it's delays, mismanagement and corruption are a threat to the program itself. The same can be said for the F22 before it--a weapon designed for a threat that evaporated long before the plane was operational and has, as far as I know, never been used in combat. ( I invite the wing nut fact checkers to prove me wrong-I can take it.)

What happened to all the fiscal conservatives and deficit haters? Need I remind you that one of the most aggressive military expense cutters of the modern era was none other than Eisenhower himself?

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