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Feb 24, 2014 22:05:04   #
willstaff Loc: Daytona Beach, Fl
 
We could make the battleships and tanks and planes just as we did during WWII if we had the time but that is the problem now. During WWII we had two oceans protecting our country but that won't be the case in the technological world we live in now.

If we get into a BIG shooting war there will not be time to ramp up. Drawing down the military to pre WWII levels is a sign to those who don't like us that we are vulnerable.

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Feb 24, 2014 23:44:51   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
So, we have military members that have multiple deployments in a brief career that now will be "fired" to meet some imaginery budget limit(s)? How do we, as concerned citizens who ask the impossible of our military and their families, to accept their discharge and hope to find gainful employment? It's shameful that we don't express an outrage for those that accept government support without responsibility whereas we just say "tough luck" to the military that sacrifice so much for us.

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Feb 25, 2014 00:06:38   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
I'm thankful there are a few left who see what's happening. I've got to deal with some Muslim loving idiots on another thread but that will have to wait until tomorrow. My head will explode if I try to deal with them tonight. Maybe when we have to go battle with the Chinese they will sell us the ships we need. I get the feeling there could be a few mechanical and electronic glitches. Probably would be covered under the warranty. Yeah right. The majority of people in this country have completely lost it as far as the ability to think. That reminds me I need to get to more important issues like the results of American Idol and The Voice. Who has time for trivial matters like national security when there's reality TV. And golf. What course is Obumer playing tomorrow. Got to make sure Air Force One is gassed up and ready to go. :shock: :roll: :thumbup:

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Feb 25, 2014 01:15:56   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
We as a nation have surrendered. Give the guidon to our enemies. Is there any hope for us?

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Feb 25, 2014 05:43:09   #
Patriot66 Loc: Minnesota
 
Ront53 wrote:
I guess they never heard "Peace through strength"


That is what Chamberlain thought and look how that turned out. Thus administration is bound and determined to bring the US down!

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Feb 25, 2014 06:05:23   #
Underwaterant
 
God only invented war, so Americans can
learn about geography !!
555 !!!

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Feb 25, 2014 06:52:18   #
mikedidi46 Loc: WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
 
pounder35 wrote:
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we will be set-up for a major overthrow. God Bless the United States of America and damn the Obama administration. I guess the millions of dollars saved in reducing our military, will go to fund more negative action/benefit programs?

Obama admin plans to shrink Army to pre-World War II low
By United Press International February 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest force since before World War II, Pentagon officials told the New York Times.

The plans, to be laid out in Hagel's first defense budget Monday, call for the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft to be eliminated, the newspaper said, citing Pentagon officials ahead of Hagel's release of the spending plan.

The twin-engine jet is the only Air Force aircraft designed solely for close air support of ground forces. It was developed in the 1970s to attack Soviet tanks in case of a European invasion -- capabilities the Pentagon deems less relevant today, the Times said.

The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances, the Wall Street Journal said.

Pentagon officials describe the cuts as a modest and realistic plan to save billions of dollars needed to protect other critical portions of U.S. defense spending, the Journal said.

The proposed changes, which will be subject to congressional approval, are intended to comply with the Bipartisan Budget Act reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, the Times said. That deal, which passed the House Dec. 12 and the Senate Dec. 18, imposes a military spending cap of about $496 billion for the 2015 fiscal year.

The changes, endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are also intended to conform to Obama's pledge to end two costly and exhausting land wars.

A result will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for prolonged foreign occupations, Pentagon officials told the Times.

"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

The Army, which did the most U.S. fighting and had the most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, is proposed in Hagel's budget to drop to 440,000 to 450,000 troops, the smallest force since 1940, the Times said.

It was already scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-Sept. 11, 2001, peak of 570,000.

Money saved by cutting the number of personnel would assure U.S. fighting soldiers would be well trained and supplied with the best weaponry, the officials told the newspaper.

The cuts in housing allowances and other benefits, such as less support for grocery stores that offer discounts to military families, reflect economic realities, the Defense Department said.

"Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told the Journal.

"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

Hagel's plan calls for a one-year pay freeze for the Defense Department's top military leaders -- a gesture the Journal said was meant to show that even the best-compensated leaders would make sacrifices.
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People should understand that Obama doesn't like this country. Just listen to his speech in 2009 in Cairo. He called his own country arrogant, if it wasn't for our arrogance the world would be a totally different place. Controlled by Russia, Germany & Japan.
Hagel is a Puppet and was made Sec of defense for just this purpose.

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Feb 25, 2014 07:19:24   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
He is keeping his promise to transform this country - and congress is letting him get away with it!

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Feb 25, 2014 07:24:57   #
warrior Loc: Paso Robles CA
 
pounder35 wrote:
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we will be set-up for a major overthrow. God Bless the United States of America and damn the Obama administration. I guess the millions of dollars saved in reducing our military, will go to fund more negative action/benefit programs?

Obama admin plans to shrink Army to pre-World War II low
By United Press International February 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest force since before World War II, Pentagon officials told the New York Times.

The plans, to be laid out in Hagel's first defense budget Monday, call for the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft to be eliminated, the newspaper said, citing Pentagon officials ahead of Hagel's release of the spending plan.

The twin-engine jet is the only Air Force aircraft designed solely for close air support of ground forces. It was developed in the 1970s to attack Soviet tanks in case of a European invasion -- capabilities the Pentagon deems less relevant today, the Times said.

The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances, the Wall Street Journal said.

Pentagon officials describe the cuts as a modest and realistic plan to save billions of dollars needed to protect other critical portions of U.S. defense spending, the Journal said.

The proposed changes, which will be subject to congressional approval, are intended to comply with the Bipartisan Budget Act reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, the Times said. That deal, which passed the House Dec. 12 and the Senate Dec. 18, imposes a military spending cap of about $496 billion for the 2015 fiscal year.

The changes, endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are also intended to conform to Obama's pledge to end two costly and exhausting land wars.

A result will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for prolonged foreign occupations, Pentagon officials told the Times.

"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

The Army, which did the most U.S. fighting and had the most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, is proposed in Hagel's budget to drop to 440,000 to 450,000 troops, the smallest force since 1940, the Times said.

It was already scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-Sept. 11, 2001, peak of 570,000.

Money saved by cutting the number of personnel would assure U.S. fighting soldiers would be well trained and supplied with the best weaponry, the officials told the newspaper.

The cuts in housing allowances and other benefits, such as less support for grocery stores that offer discounts to military families, reflect economic realities, the Defense Department said.

"Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told the Journal.

"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

Hagel's plan calls for a one-year pay freeze for the Defense Department's top military leaders -- a gesture the Journal said was meant to show that even the best-compensated leaders would make sacrifices.
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we ... (show quote)


Give this man a rifle and put him at point
"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

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Feb 25, 2014 07:29:02   #
warrior Loc: Paso Robles CA
 
pounder35 wrote:
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we will be set-up for a major overthrow. God Bless the United States of America and damn the Obama administration. I guess the millions of dollars saved in reducing our military, will go to fund more negative action/benefit programs?

Obama admin plans to shrink Army to pre-World War II low
By United Press International February 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest force since before World War II, Pentagon officials told the New York Times.

The plans, to be laid out in Hagel's first defense budget Monday, call for the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft to be eliminated, the newspaper said, citing Pentagon officials ahead of Hagel's release of the spending plan.

The twin-engine jet is the only Air Force aircraft designed solely for close air support of ground forces. It was developed in the 1970s to attack Soviet tanks in case of a European invasion -- capabilities the Pentagon deems less relevant today, the Times said.

The proposed budget includes limits on military pay raises, higher fees for military healthcare benefits and less generous military housing allowances, the Wall Street Journal said.

Pentagon officials describe the cuts as a modest and realistic plan to save billions of dollars needed to protect other critical portions of U.S. defense spending, the Journal said.

The proposed changes, which will be subject to congressional approval, are intended to comply with the Bipartisan Budget Act reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, the Times said. That deal, which passed the House Dec. 12 and the Senate Dec. 18, imposes a military spending cap of about $496 billion for the 2015 fiscal year.

The changes, endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are also intended to conform to Obama's pledge to end two costly and exhausting land wars.

A result will be a military capable of defeating any adversary, but too small for prolonged foreign occupations, Pentagon officials told the Times.

"We're still going to have a very significant-sized Army," an official said. "But it's going to be agile. It will be capable. It will be modern. It will be trained."

The Army, which did the most U.S. fighting and had the most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, is proposed in Hagel's budget to drop to 440,000 to 450,000 troops, the smallest force since 1940, the Times said.

It was already scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-Sept. 11, 2001, peak of 570,000.

Money saved by cutting the number of personnel would assure U.S. fighting soldiers would be well trained and supplied with the best weaponry, the officials told the newspaper.

The cuts in housing allowances and other benefits, such as less support for grocery stores that offer discounts to military families, reflect economic realities, the Defense Department said.

"Personnel costs reflect some 50 percent of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told the Journal.

"Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation," Kirby said.

Hagel's plan calls for a one-year pay freeze for the Defense Department's top military leaders -- a gesture the Journal said was meant to show that even the best-compensated leaders would make sacrifices.
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we ... (show quote)


Back to stove pipes and wooden rifles for training :hunf: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

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Feb 25, 2014 07:43:12   #
Cragzop Loc: NYC
 
pounder35 wrote:
With the Army reduced to pre-World War II low, we will be set-up for a major overthrow. God Bless the United States of America and damn the Obama administration. I guess the millions of dollars saved in reducing our military, will go to fund more negative action/benefit programs?



Notwithstanding China's huge increase in military spending, along with Russia's belligerent moves in central Europe, the middle east conflicts happening on a daily basis, this is as good a time as any to reduce our ability to defend ourselves and send a message to our adversaries. I suppose diplomacy will work as China crosses the Taiwan strait.

This is only the beginning, gentlemen. As the left takes over, its hatred for this great country will bring us to our knees.

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Feb 25, 2014 08:10:25   #
bersharbp Loc: Texas
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Roman saying:

"The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war."


How true! Do we really believe that we can stay out of war? (Maybe I can find a bridge to sell?)

I also heard (on TV) that Haqel is talking of reducing VA benefits? Then our wounded vets can wait in the welfare lines?

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Feb 25, 2014 08:15:13   #
mikedidi46 Loc: WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
 
bersharbp wrote:
How true! Do we really believe that we can stay out of war? (Maybe I can find a bridge to sell?)

I also heard (on TV) that Haqel is talking of reducing VA benefits? Then our wounded vets can wait in the welfare lines?


Hagel is a PUPPET for the LEFT

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Feb 25, 2014 08:16:13   #
Treepusher Loc: Kingston, Massachusetts
 
Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. It was never the strongest kid on the block who got wedgies...

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Feb 25, 2014 08:18:53   #
Patriot66 Loc: Minnesota
 
bersharbp wrote:
How true! Do we really believe that we can stay out of war? (Maybe I can find a bridge to sell?)

I also heard (on TV) that Haqel is talking of reducing VA benefits? Then our wounded vets can wait in the welfare lines?


Ever notice that no one ever brings up reducing welfare costs or congress salaries - gee I wonder why?

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